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I like the text centered layout too, but in general I have a problem with sites not having a "legal notice", giving me a quick overview who is behind the site a

I like the text centered layout too, but in general I have a problem with sites not having a "legal notice", giving me a quick overview who is behind the site and service. In Germany a "legal notice" is enforced by law and this is a good thing.

amadeuspagel 6y ago
> In Germany a "legal notice" is enforced by law and this is a good thing. You are free to ignore sites without a legal notice if you have a problem with them, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to stay anonymous.
- jmkerr 6y ago
  There is no reason for a reputable professional data center operator to stay anonymous and not disclose a business mailing address or applicable jurisdiction. But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data to an anonymous website that was created this morning.
  - amadeuspagel 6y ago
    I'm discussing the law in germany, which does not just apply to professional data center operators but to every site owner.
    - Aeolun 6y ago
      I have a very strong suspicion that’s nowhere near enforced to any reasonable degree of effectiveness for private individuals.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - vmception 6y ago
    > There is no reason for a reputable professional I heard the same thing about private WHOIS data a decade ago, and this year, despite all registrars offering WHOIS privacy by default and most for free. I don't think your point is valid. > But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data Exactly, let the market do whatever it wants. And of course I don't mind you discussing your own predilections and why you wouldn't use it, but the broad blanket statement is just naive and too simplistic.
    - jmkerr 6y ago
      That's because domains were increasingly registered to masses of private customers, who should have a different expectation of privacy than businesses. And privacy is a problem here. You cannot enforce a privacy policy (if there only was one) or data protection law against an anonymous website, so expect all your data to go to the highest bidder. Naively, maybe, I would expect that to be unacceptable, although there seem to be people in favour of this. It's possible that you'll get enough data later in the ordering process, but it's still highly unusable (compared to e.g. rsync.net and all the other big clouds).
  - GrantZvolsky 6y ago
    > But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data to an anonymous website that was created this morning. Even if the provider registered a limited company to their name and used that, how would it help? Who would trust such a small entity with their data? The service is clearly targeted at people who are knowledgeable enough not to upload unencrypted sensitive data.
- Aldipower 6y ago
  > You are free to ignore sites without a legal notice if you have a problem with them This is exactly what I am doing then.
  - duqd_ 6y ago
    Then perhaps there is no utility to the law?
samoa42 6y ago
a "leagal notice" (impressum) is only required for websites that make a commercial offering.
- ilovefood 6y ago
  Commercial offering encompasses "serving ads", "writing promotional articles for own services or third party services". It's rather that you don't need an Impressum if and only if the website is neither directly or indirectly linked with a commercial purpose/gain/strategy.
- johannes1234321 6y ago
  It's not about commercial, but "geschäftsmäßig" which is a way broader term. Any form of doing things in a repititve form can inder some circumstance fall inter it's this includes non-profit work, can contain hobby things, ...
  - hda111 6y ago
    This is correct. Also everyone using GitHub or similar services and uploading code must also have an impressum on their GitHub profiles. It applies to all kinds of web presences.

amadeuspagel 6y ago

> In Germany a "legal notice" is enforced by law and this is a good thing. You are free to ignore sites without a legal notice if you have a problem with them, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to stay anonymous.

jmkerr 6y ago
There is no reason for a reputable professional data center operator to stay anonymous and not disclose a business mailing address or applicable jurisdiction. But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data to an anonymous website that was created this morning.
- amadeuspagel 6y ago
  I'm discussing the law in germany, which does not just apply to professional data center operators but to every site owner.
  - Aeolun 6y ago
    I have a very strong suspicion that’s nowhere near enforced to any reasonable degree of effectiveness for private individuals.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- vmception 6y ago
  > There is no reason for a reputable professional I heard the same thing about private WHOIS data a decade ago, and this year, despite all registrars offering WHOIS privacy by default and most for free. I don't think your point is valid. > But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data Exactly, let the market do whatever it wants. And of course I don't mind you discussing your own predilections and why you wouldn't use it, but the broad blanket statement is just naive and too simplistic.
  - jmkerr 6y ago
    That's because domains were increasingly registered to masses of private customers, who should have a different expectation of privacy than businesses. And privacy is a problem here. You cannot enforce a privacy policy (if there only was one) or data protection law against an anonymous website, so expect all your data to go to the highest bidder. Naively, maybe, I would expect that to be unacceptable, although there seem to be people in favour of this. It's possible that you'll get enough data later in the ordering process, but it's still highly unusable (compared to e.g. rsync.net and all the other big clouds).
- GrantZvolsky 6y ago
  > But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data to an anonymous website that was created this morning. Even if the provider registered a limited company to their name and used that, how would it help? Who would trust such a small entity with their data? The service is clearly targeted at people who are knowledgeable enough not to upload unencrypted sensitive data.
Aldipower 6y ago
> You are free to ignore sites without a legal notice if you have a problem with them This is exactly what I am doing then.
- duqd_ 6y ago
  Then perhaps there is no utility to the law?

samoa42 6y ago

a "leagal notice" (impressum) is only required for websites that make a commercial offering.

ilovefood 6y ago
Commercial offering encompasses "serving ads", "writing promotional articles for own services or third party services". It's rather that you don't need an Impressum if and only if the website is neither directly or indirectly linked with a commercial purpose/gain/strategy.
johannes1234321 6y ago
It's not about commercial, but "geschäftsmäßig" which is a way broader term. Any form of doing things in a repititve form can inder some circumstance fall inter it's this includes non-profit work, can contain hobby things, ...
- hda111 6y ago
  This is correct. Also everyone using GitHub or similar services and uploading code must also have an impressum on their GitHub profiles. It applies to all kinds of web presences.