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> That is how batteries perform at a certain age. Ok, and customers should still be informed of whatever it is that you think the situation is, and they should

by stale2002 6y ago

> That is how batteries perform at a certain age. Ok, and customers should still be informed of whatever it is that you think the situation is, and they should be allowed to purchase a replacement. > This feature is designed to always get the most out of a battery. Is that really something to complain about? They should have still told the customer and allowed people to buy a replacement. > I guess this is where it's a perspective issue. No. My perspective is not that. Instead my perspective is that the consumer should have been told about that, and offered the ability to buy a replacement.

Retric 6y ago
This issue impacts literally every phone ever sold. Manufactures can hide it any number of ways, but a new battery is always better even if your phone is exactly 1 day old. That’s what continuous degradation means.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > This issue impacts literally every phone ever sold. No, actually, most phones did not release an update like this, deny the situation, and then also refused to let people purchase replacement batteries. The issue is that Apple did this update, did not tell people about the whole thing, however you want to describe it, and then also did not allow people to buy replacement batteries.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    All that tells me is that other phones aren't getting the most out of new batteries, and are instead limiting themselves to the performance of an old battery. But yes, I agree, they should have permitted replacements - in fact replacements should have been permitted at home. Batteries deserve to be user serviceable.
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      > All that tells me is that other phones aren't getting the most out of new batteries, and are instead limiting themselves to the performance of an old battery. That's only one possible explanation. Imagine two phones that can both draw 5 watts max. Phone A has a battery that can supply 5 watts brand new, and phone B has a battery that can supply 10 watts brand new. It's true that phone A is "getting the most out of new batteries", and phone B isn't. But phone B isn't "limiting itself to the performance of an old battery". The 5 watt limit is there for efficiency and heat reasons, and it just so happens that the battery is never the limiting factor.
      - arcticbull 6y ago
        Is there some reason to think that's the case? Batteries are pretty consistent technology, roughly equivalent across manufacturers and all sourced from a pretty small pool of OEMs. If that's the case I'd love to know more!
        Dylan16807 6y ago
        Lithium ion chemistry can vary things significantly, but I was picturing simply putting in a larger battery for the hypothetical. The motivation is more hours of runtime, but as a side effect you have more peak watts available.
        Retric 6y ago
        Now you’re paying to change voltage, which adds cost and heat. Sure, users don’t really notice that something’s wrong, but they get a worse device that costs more money and needs to heat throttle anyway.
        Dylan16807 6y ago
        Not a higher voltage battery. A physically larger battery. More watt-hours and more watts.
        6y ago
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Most phones aren't redlining the battery when brand new. There's degradation but it only affects battery life. By the time you have performance impacts you're typically in "replace the battery" territory.

Retric 6y ago

This issue impacts literally every phone ever sold. Manufactures can hide it any number of ways, but a new battery is always better even if your phone is exactly 1 day old. That’s what continuous degradation means.

stale2002 6y ago
> This issue impacts literally every phone ever sold. No, actually, most phones did not release an update like this, deny the situation, and then also refused to let people purchase replacement batteries. The issue is that Apple did this update, did not tell people about the whole thing, however you want to describe it, and then also did not allow people to buy replacement batteries.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  All that tells me is that other phones aren't getting the most out of new batteries, and are instead limiting themselves to the performance of an old battery. But yes, I agree, they should have permitted replacements - in fact replacements should have been permitted at home. Batteries deserve to be user serviceable.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    > All that tells me is that other phones aren't getting the most out of new batteries, and are instead limiting themselves to the performance of an old battery. That's only one possible explanation. Imagine two phones that can both draw 5 watts max. Phone A has a battery that can supply 5 watts brand new, and phone B has a battery that can supply 10 watts brand new. It's true that phone A is "getting the most out of new batteries", and phone B isn't. But phone B isn't "limiting itself to the performance of an old battery". The 5 watt limit is there for efficiency and heat reasons, and it just so happens that the battery is never the limiting factor.
    - arcticbull 6y ago
      Is there some reason to think that's the case? Batteries are pretty consistent technology, roughly equivalent across manufacturers and all sourced from a pretty small pool of OEMs. If that's the case I'd love to know more!
      - Dylan16807 6y ago
        Lithium ion chemistry can vary things significantly, but I was picturing simply putting in a larger battery for the hypothetical. The motivation is more hours of runtime, but as a side effect you have more peak watts available.
        Retric 6y ago
        Now you’re paying to change voltage, which adds cost and heat. Sure, users don’t really notice that something’s wrong, but they get a worse device that costs more money and needs to heat throttle anyway.
        Dylan16807 6y ago
        Not a higher voltage battery. A physically larger battery. More watt-hours and more watts.
        6y ago
Dylan16807 6y ago
Most phones aren't redlining the battery when brand new. There's degradation but it only affects battery life. By the time you have performance impacts you're typically in "replace the battery" territory.