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"Foreign interference" has been going on from day 0 in the United States Agree. Not as effective as today. But yes. Anyone who actually use the excuse of "for

"Foreign interference" has been going on from day 0 in the United States Agree. Not as effective as today. But yes. Anyone who actually use the excuse of "foreign interference" for totalitarian censorship basically basically doesn't believe in the concept of democracy. Agree. I think Democracy has failed because the tools of propaganda have become very effective. Democracy died in the U.S. a long time ago... the Deep State was formed and it had a monopoly on propaganda, not only for keeping the citizens in line but also using it to control many other countries. The major competitor was Soviet Union, which wasn't very successful for long. Fast forward to today, there are many countries which are powerful enough and have competitive tools for propaganda. While many countries are well equipped for offence, only China has very good defense against it. If other countries don't take actions to strengthen their defense, it's going to be very difficult for them.

tsimionescu 6y ago
You're mostly right in everything, except that 'the Deep State' is not that deep and is not that much part of the state - most US propaganda is actually pretty transparently done by the corporate sector. We call it PR and marketing now, but it is exactly propaganda, used to great effectiveness everywhere in the world. Teb other major leg of US propaganda is the entertainment industry, which is also extremely effective at selling grand narratives, and has a very favorable lens from which it always presents the US and its allies, whether it be in gaming, mass market films, or even critical darlings (see the fawning reception the extremely pro-American, pro-militaristic 'The Hurt Locker' got everywhere in the critical press).
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  most US propaganda is actually pretty transparently done by the corporate sector Agree, but I'm not talking about most. I understand there is "cholesterol bad" or "anti-vaxx, stupid, amirite?" from pharmaceuticals or "almonds make penis hard" from nutrition "science" funded by the food industry. That is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Deep State, which is comprised of ex-military, the CIA and weapons industry people. They're pretty deep into everything.

tsimionescu 6y ago

You're mostly right in everything, except that 'the Deep State' is not that deep and is not that much part of the state - most US propaganda is actually pretty transparently done by the corporate sector. We call it PR and marketing now, but it is exactly propaganda, used to great effectiveness everywhere in the world. Teb other major leg of US propaganda is the entertainment industry, which is also extremely effective at selling grand narratives, and has a very favorable lens from which it always presents the US and its allies, whether it be in gaming, mass market films, or even critical darlings (see the fawning reception the extremely pro-American, pro-militaristic 'The Hurt Locker' got everywhere in the critical press).

AntiImperialist 6y ago
most US propaganda is actually pretty transparently done by the corporate sector Agree, but I'm not talking about most. I understand there is "cholesterol bad" or "anti-vaxx, stupid, amirite?" from pharmaceuticals or "almonds make penis hard" from nutrition "science" funded by the food industry. That is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Deep State, which is comprised of ex-military, the CIA and weapons industry people. They're pretty deep into everything.