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In US phone market, they do and this isn't just about monopoly per-say but what it means to "own" a computing device if you can only run manufacturer approved a

by zeusk 6y ago

In US phone market, they do and this isn't just about monopoly per-say but what it means to "own" a computing device if you can only run manufacturer approved applications on it.

tesmar2 6y ago
If you don’t like the way they sell you a device, start a company that sells the kind of device you want. Or buy a pine phone.
- zeusk 6y ago
  Not sure if you're trolling, but that's not a rational option for most. I've described elsewhere in thread why switching is not an option for me; Apple has slowly trapped me in their ecosystem of Apple TV, Apple Watch, Macbook, Homepod, my BMW which will only talk to an iOS device, iMessage, HomeKit They don't provide any external APIs to interact with these products so other platforms/systems could make such a switch less painful.
  - tesmar2 6y ago
    I’m certainly not trolling. You’re not trapped. Over time switch to another provider. Or all at once. They sell you a service and device with terms. If you don’t like it, get out of that ecosystem. Certainly don’t use the power of the federal government. Do you like monopolies? Because that’s how you get monopolies.
    - intricatedetail 6y ago
      "They sell you heroin if you don't like it - quit"
      - jerry80 6y ago
        A lot of people (e.g. libertarians) would agree with that statement.
  - samatman 6y ago
    There's something profoundly silly about this. I feel your pain: Apple slowly lured you into spending thousands of dollars on high-quality products which work smoothly together, and then they went and changed the EULA on you and now you can't install non-App Store software on it! Only that didn't happen, of course: the rules have always been the rules, you just don't like them. Which is fine, actually, complain all you want. But the victim act is hilarious. "My luxury car will only talk to an iPhone! I should sue!"
    - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
      I personally switched to Apple products because they more or less Just Worked and they prevented me from fiddling with them: the big issue with Android phones for me was that, since I would always root and mod them, they’d always fail at inopportune times: by making this sort of tinkering not an option, Apple phones are just more reliable for me (and, sure, this is partly my fault but, from my perspective, the locked-down status of iDevices is a feature that lets me treat them like appliances)
    - zepto 6y ago
      He didn’t say his luxury car will only talk to an iPhone. BMWs will of course connect to any Bluetooth phone. He said only an iPhone will properly display album art on the screen of his luxury car as he drives.
    - deleted 6y ago
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zepto 6y ago
No, in the US phone market they do not have anything like Microsoft’s share of the PC market. And if you don’t feel Apple gives you sufficient ownership, why not just buy something else? It’s a boring question to keep asking, but nobody actually seems to want to answer it.
- deleted 6y ago
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- chc 6y ago
  Can you name two viable alternatives to iOS? I can't.
- zaibas 6y ago
  I can buy something else. In fact I did. The problem is that if you are making a product which will be consumed from a phone you have to support iPhone users and do everything Apple wants you to do.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    To solidify this point, the majority of phones in the US run on iOS. iOS has 52.4% of the mobile operating system market on phones[1]. If you're selling an app, it's even more important to support iOS users because the App Store is responsible for three times as much revenue as the Play Store[2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held-by-smartphone-platforms-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held... [2] https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/in-2019-apples-app-store-was-1-in-the-us-with-more-3x-google-play-sales.html https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/in-2019...
    - tesmar2 6y ago
      This isn’t a problem, it’s just reality. An app dev needs to support the platforms. You are still free to use something else.
    - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago

by zeusk 6y ago

In US phone market, they do and this isn't just about monopoly per-say but what it means to "own" a computing device if you can only run manufacturer approved applications on it.

tesmar2 6y ago

If you don’t like the way they sell you a device, start a company that sells the kind of device you want. Or buy a pine phone.

zeusk 6y ago
Not sure if you're trolling, but that's not a rational option for most. I've described elsewhere in thread why switching is not an option for me; Apple has slowly trapped me in their ecosystem of Apple TV, Apple Watch, Macbook, Homepod, my BMW which will only talk to an iOS device, iMessage, HomeKit They don't provide any external APIs to interact with these products so other platforms/systems could make such a switch less painful.
- tesmar2 6y ago
  I’m certainly not trolling. You’re not trapped. Over time switch to another provider. Or all at once. They sell you a service and device with terms. If you don’t like it, get out of that ecosystem. Certainly don’t use the power of the federal government. Do you like monopolies? Because that’s how you get monopolies.
  - intricatedetail 6y ago
    "They sell you heroin if you don't like it - quit"
    - jerry80 6y ago
      A lot of people (e.g. libertarians) would agree with that statement.
- samatman 6y ago
  There's something profoundly silly about this. I feel your pain: Apple slowly lured you into spending thousands of dollars on high-quality products which work smoothly together, and then they went and changed the EULA on you and now you can't install non-App Store software on it! Only that didn't happen, of course: the rules have always been the rules, you just don't like them. Which is fine, actually, complain all you want. But the victim act is hilarious. "My luxury car will only talk to an iPhone! I should sue!"
  - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago
    I personally switched to Apple products because they more or less Just Worked and they prevented me from fiddling with them: the big issue with Android phones for me was that, since I would always root and mod them, they’d always fail at inopportune times: by making this sort of tinkering not an option, Apple phones are just more reliable for me (and, sure, this is partly my fault but, from my perspective, the locked-down status of iDevices is a feature that lets me treat them like appliances)
  - zepto 6y ago
    He didn’t say his luxury car will only talk to an iPhone. BMWs will of course connect to any Bluetooth phone. He said only an iPhone will properly display album art on the screen of his luxury car as he drives.
  - deleted 6y ago
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zepto 6y ago

No, in the US phone market they do not have anything like Microsoft’s share of the PC market. And if you don’t feel Apple gives you sufficient ownership, why not just buy something else? It’s a boring question to keep asking, but nobody actually seems to want to answer it.

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chc 6y ago
Can you name two viable alternatives to iOS? I can't.
zaibas 6y ago
I can buy something else. In fact I did. The problem is that if you are making a product which will be consumed from a phone you have to support iPhone users and do everything Apple wants you to do.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  To solidify this point, the majority of phones in the US run on iOS. iOS has 52.4% of the mobile operating system market on phones[1]. If you're selling an app, it's even more important to support iOS users because the App Store is responsible for three times as much revenue as the Play Store[2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held-by-smartphone-platforms-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held... [2] https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/in-2019-apples-app-store-was-1-in-the-us-with-more-3x-google-play-sales.html https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/in-2019...
  - tesmar2 6y ago
    This isn’t a problem, it’s just reality. An app dev needs to support the platforms. You are still free to use something else.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 6y ago