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People still paid $1400 for PCs in 1999, nothing stopped US govt from suing Microsoft for bundling IE - let alone not allowing users to run "unapproved" softwar
by zeusk 6y ago
People still paid $1400 for PCs in 1999, nothing stopped US govt from suing Microsoft for bundling IE - let alone not allowing users to run "unapproved" software.
- zaroth 6y agoMicrosoft had 90% market share. And in the end they settled.
- zeusk 6y agoBy offering the user a choice for the browser, which is exactly what I want from Apple - a choice for app store, or the default maps app.
- tesmar2 6y agoPetition them or switch to Android. No one’s forcing you to buy it.
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- slivanes 6y agoAnd yet Apple is forcing the lack of choice in an app store.
- tesmar2 6y agoSo? It’s their platform.
- itismetheidiot 6y agofrom a European point of view, the market belongs to the people, not Apple and thus they must play by the rules the State set, for and on the behalf of the people.
- valparaiso 6y agoApp Store is not a separate market. It's separate business as stated by Apple lawyers and judge agreed on September 28th. EU judges need to firstly define this as a "new market", which will shock the whole industry.
- zaroth 6y agoBut don’t you think — it’s their phone, they have spent billions of dollars developing it, shouldn’t they get the choice of how their own product should work? It’s not like the user doesn’t know what they are buying. It’s not like Apple doesn’t have strong competitors. It’s not like the app developers are like, “Oh, 30%?! I didn’t know!” People want the product that Apple is making. They buy it knowingly and willingly in droves. Look at the M1, the culmination of decades of hard R&D, beating Intel at their own game. You want to tell this company — which is absolutely killing it and creating absolutely tremendous value for consumers the world over — you want to tell them how their own device should work?! Explain to me why the free market has not spoken, and spoken clearly in favor of the products that Apple has brought to market for their customers. Why in the world should the US Government say that what this truly amazing company should do in their own code and product roadmap. Honestly, it’s a travesty in the making. What Apple has accomplished — coming back from the brink — is one of the greatest success stories in the history of capitalism. Why, why in the world should the US Government — a true paragon of incompetence — dictate terms on how they should run their lawful, competitive business.
- R0b0t1 6y ago>But don’t you think — it’s their phone, they have spent billions of dollars developing it, shouldn’t they get the choice of how their own product should work? Maybe? But then they're not selling it, they're leasing it, and they need to say that.
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- phkahler 6y ago>> But don’t you think — it’s their phone, they have spent billions of dollars developing it, shouldn’t they get the choice of how their own product should work? No. Its MY phone from the moment I bought it. If I want to change some aspect of how it works that's up to me.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y agoOn the other hand, you knew these restrictions before purchasing it and still continued with the transaction. I understand both perspectives here but I don't think one is objectively right.
- heavyset_go 6y agoAnd quite literally a choice for a browser, because Apple mandates that all browsers on the App Store use Safari on the backend, which means that Chrome and Firefox are just skins over Safari on iOS.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y agoThis would be huge because Safari is missing so many APIs and leaves users on an unusable browser when they stop getting OS updates.
- Bud 6y agoThis would not be huge, because iOS devices don't stop getting updates for 6-8 years, by which time it is very unlikely that third parties would bother making a special browser app just for that unprofitable 0.1% slice of the market.
- tesmar2 6y agoA mistake then as well. Buy a Mac if you don’t like Microsoft’s approach.
- fiddlerwoaroof 6y agoApple has nothing like the MS market share, though.
- zeusk 6y agoIn US phone market, they do and this isn't just about monopoly per-say but what it means to "own" a computing device if you can only run manufacturer approved applications on it.
- tesmar2 6y agoIf you don’t like the way they sell you a device, start a company that sells the kind of device you want. Or buy a pine phone.
- zeusk 6y agoNot sure if you're trolling, but that's not a rational option for most. I've described elsewhere in thread why switching is not an option for me; Apple has slowly trapped me in their ecosystem of Apple TV, Apple Watch, Macbook, Homepod, my BMW which will only talk to an iOS device, iMessage, HomeKit They don't provide any external APIs to interact with these products so other platforms/systems could make such a switch less painful.
- tesmar2 6y agoI’m certainly not trolling. You’re not trapped. Over time switch to another provider. Or all at once. They sell you a service and device with terms. If you don’t like it, get out of that ecosystem. Certainly don’t use the power of the federal government. Do you like monopolies? Because that’s how you get monopolies.
- intricatedetail 6y ago"They sell you heroin if you don't like it - quit"
- ribosometronome 6y agoMicrosoft had a considerably larger share of the worldwide market.