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Out of curiosity, is the Facebook infringement well known in the community, but considered too big an issue to broach, not worth putting time into, etc.?

throwaway11182 6y ago
It's not a thing. A few zealots in the OpenStreetMap community want the literal words "OSM Contributors" to appear on any map that uses OpenStreetMap and they complain loudly anytime someone publishes a map that doesn't meet their made-up standard. Facebook maps attribute OpenStreetMap legally.
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  ODBL license has a clear requirement > notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database Hiding "attribution" in places where typical user will never visit (for example in menus hidden inside barely visible "i" symbol) clearly violates it.
stereo 6y ago
It is relatively well known. The attribution is imperfect in some places, lacking in other places. If you'd like an example, examine the map on https://m.facebook.com/Stekerlapatte https://m.facebook.com/Stekerlapatte Facebook is, in all fairness, contributing to the OSMF's efforts to come up with new, better, clear attribution guidelines, and they are understandably waiting for them to be approved before overhauling things. The current draft would require the actual text to be shown in the example I've shared above.
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  > Facebook is, in all fairness, contributing to the OSMF's efforts to come up with new, better, clear attribution guidelines As in, trying to redefine their attribution violation as something acceptable. Attribution guidelines draft was rejected because it tried to describe hiding attribution in places that normal user will never see as acceptable. Facebook is doing some positive things in OSM ecosystem, but it is not a case here.
rmc 6y ago
The OSMF is currently working on updated Attribution Guidelines, which should go some way to address some of this, and will probably adopt something within the next month or two. So the situation is currently fluid.

throwaway11182 6y ago

It's not a thing. A few zealots in the OpenStreetMap community want the literal words "OSM Contributors" to appear on any map that uses OpenStreetMap and they complain loudly anytime someone publishes a map that doesn't meet their made-up standard. Facebook maps attribute OpenStreetMap legally.

matkoniecz 6y ago
ODBL license has a clear requirement > notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database Hiding "attribution" in places where typical user will never visit (for example in menus hidden inside barely visible "i" symbol) clearly violates it.

stereo 6y ago

It is relatively well known. The attribution is imperfect in some places, lacking in other places. If you'd like an example, examine the map on https://m.facebook.com/Stekerlapatte https://m.facebook.com/Stekerlapatte Facebook is, in all fairness, contributing to the OSMF's efforts to come up with new, better, clear attribution guidelines, and they are understandably waiting for them to be approved before overhauling things. The current draft would require the actual text to be shown in the example I've shared above.

matkoniecz 6y ago
> Facebook is, in all fairness, contributing to the OSMF's efforts to come up with new, better, clear attribution guidelines As in, trying to redefine their attribution violation as something acceptable. Attribution guidelines draft was rejected because it tried to describe hiding attribution in places that normal user will never see as acceptable. Facebook is doing some positive things in OSM ecosystem, but it is not a case here.

rmc 6y ago

The OSMF is currently working on updated Attribution Guidelines, which should go some way to address some of this, and will probably adopt something within the next month or two. So the situation is currently fluid.