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- Splendor 6y agoI would love if the browse page could sort by "popular" or "recommended". With such a carefully curated collection it seems a shame to not surface the best ebooks more easily.
- raxxorrax 6y agoThis is awesome, thank you! edit: Aside from the books, the site is quite nice too.
- ronjouch 6y agoStandard Ebooks are awesome. If maintainers are seeing this: any plans to publish non-English books? Is there room to collaborate on adding support for it?
- AdmiralAsshat 6y agoNot a maintainer, just an occasional contributor. https://standardebooks.org/contribute/accepted-ebooks https://standardebooks.org/contribute/accepted-ebooks > Types of ebooks we don’t accept > Non-English-language books. Translations to English are, of course, OK.
- ronjouch 6y agoYeah :-/ I know, that's why I'm asking if this can be reconsidered. As a non-English native speaker, I think it's a shame. Rather than read the English translation of Les Misérables, I'd rather read the original French text, and having Standard Ebooks as a source for non-English books means I can: 1. Discover / browse / search. 2. Expect high quality text & typography. 3. Be part of a high-volume community that archives and refines texts year after year. "Then build your own similar site with high-quality titles in French!" , I hear some say. Sure, but I see tons of excellent marketing & infrastructure already done by Standard Ebooks, which could be reused for non-English books! Said differently, mid/long term I see the greater good being achieved by supporting non-English titles in Standard Ebooks itself, not in one satellite mimic site per language, of varying maintenance quality. To compare with the domain of online encyclopedias, these are the same reasons to have en.wikipedia.org and fr.wikipedia.org maintained under one (Wikipedia) umbrella sharing infrastructure, not wikipedia.org and frenchwikipedia.org maintained by entirely different teams.
- richardjs 6y agoIt looks like the subject has come up a couple times on the mailing list [1] [2], but in my (admittedly casual) searching I didn't find anything since 2017, with the most relevant answer being "not at the moment". Since it has been a couple years, maybe it's worth bringing up again on the mailing list? [1] https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/standardebooks/c/JdVpCm3ckGg/discussion https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/standardebooks/c/JdVpCm3ckGg... [2] https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/osOEfs5HdLo/m/2SPCxiUVCQAJ https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/osOEfs5HdLo/m/2...
- ronjouch 6y agoThanks for the ML digging :) . Agreed, it's worth bringing up again on the mailing list; will do this week and post here a link to my message.
- derbOac 6y agoI was thinking that one of the problems with a lot of public domain translations is that the translations are extremely dated. So you're reading this text that you almost need a translation of that itself is a dated translation. This isn't the fault of Standard Ebooks, but it's an elephant in the room of public domain texts in general. In many ways I'd rather see effort put into crowdsourced or volunteer modern translation than into improved copyediting. It's especially problematic if you consider that the original text in the foreign language isn't available as well, as you're noting.
- hpfr 6y agoI guess that makes sense. They’re pretty rigorous about conforming to style and it’d be hard for the (presumably English-speaking) editors to uphold the same standards for a language they don’t share. Not to mention each language would probably require its own style guide. I know French literature often uses guillemets or a leading em dash where English uses quotes.
- ronjouch 6y agoI agree there would be work to do and policies to establish, but I don't see this as fundamentally blocking. Mistakes can/will be done, and fixed afterwards. It's the beauty of our online worlds.
- hombre_fatal 6y agoI have a longer response that explains why parameterizing the project around language isn't so straightforward. Nor does it necessarily make sense because the thing that SE brings to the table is English expertise. All of the work in polishing an epub is the chore of transcription and then nitty gritty details like correctly tagging things like roman numerals and embedded poems and following some sort of standardization guide. The thing that Standard Ebooks does, aside from being decisive over its standards, is then require the epub to go through a review process by its creator who is a domain expert in the craft. This expert bottleneck is a big reason why SE book quality is so reliable. Accepting other languages drastically changes and perhaps even relaxes this bottleneck and changes the whole organization. In another comment, I think you suggest that it might be time to try to persuade him to accept non-English books: > Agreed, it's worth bringing up again on the mailing list; will do this week and post here a link to my message. But it's not really up to persuasion. Because it takes more than an idea to expand the accepted languages. It requires at least one reliable expert in that language who can stand up a completely new set of tools and standards and then steward that project to fruition. And that's such a big undertaking that it's really a whole new project, not just yet another egg under SE's wings, but a whole new chicken coop. Suggesting that Standard Ebooks move to support other languages is 0.0000001% of the work towards that goal. People do that all the time, then claim "okay, I'll fork the project", and then fizzle out. Another example is that whole swathes of code in https://github.com/standardebooks/tools https://github.com/standardebooks/tools, SE's core workflow, become useless once you're targeting something other than English. By browsing their style guide and that repo, you'll realize that SE's value really is its focus on English. It's more of a suite of English tools than it is a epub editing kit, as the latter is the easy part.
- resdev 6y agoYou can find some non English book PDFs here - https://bookdark.com/ https://bookdark.com/ (which are sourced from Gutenberg catalog, but with dynamic navigation and search)
- hombre_fatal 6y agoI've been working on a "fork" for Spanish books under a new imprint that I will launch when I finish my 10th book (I'm about 60% along). One fact of reality is that Standard Ebooks' tooling is English-based. Everything from the pages/xhtml it generates to its typography tools to its style guide expects English. For example, Spanish uses — and «» instead of English's “” and ‘’ for dialogue so you can imagine how SE's punctuation tooling heuristics are going to differ here. You'd also have to come up with a new set of standards for another language. What sort of correction is a fair modernization and which would be unfair editorialization? SE itself already makes controversial decisions here for English like "to-day" -> "today". It would be a large undertaking to parameterize some sort of LANG=EN setting and imo not worth it. I think the only route for that sort of thing to happen is if 2+ "forks" get to Standard Ebooks' quality and then decide to work together years down the road. Also, legal clarity is sometimes an issue in other countries where an English translation written in the USA of that same work is clearly in the public domain. There are works where the original non-English content, despite being long translated into English, are still owned by the estate, but the English translation is liberated. Something I realized was just how many books exist only as scans. Transcription isn't very fun, but this makes it rewarding. For example, I have some early Spanish sci-fi books I've transcribed into epubs that you cannot find outside of dirty scans.
- ghostDancer 6y agoSorry for the OT but may I ask which tools are you using to process the books and how/where can you verify the legal situation of a book? I'm from Spain and just curious about it.
- nicolas_t 6y agoI'm super interested in those early Spanish sci-fi (mostly because I like sci-fi and I've been looking for more spanish reading material to practice with since it's been so long since I've lived in Spain). Are they publicly available.
- acabal 6y agoAs others mentioned, different languages have different typography rules. Our toolset is English-based and making it generic for any language would be extremely difficult and time consuming. Additionally, all of us read in (at least) English, and at least I can't credibly say I'm a grammar/typography expert in any other language. In the past people have expressed interest in forking the toolset for other languages, which is totally fine. But I don't think I've seen any of those attempts come to fruition yet.
- ronjouch 6y agoHi! Thanks for chiming in :) In another comment of this sub-thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25140605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25140605 ) I wrote: > "Still, I like SE a lot and might be interested in doing the work. So, I'll make my point to the ML (expanding on A. points I brought here, and B. contradictions that commenters brought), asking if folks are convinced by the vision, and asking for technical advice to build the incremental path. Then if there's agreement, maybe I, or someone else, will commit to it." Do you think it remains worthwhile that I bring the discussion, or is it 100% nailed among current maintainers that the "incremental path" I'm hoping for doesn't exist and "just fork / do your own thing for your language and register your domain" is already the consensus?
- ChrisMarshallNY 6y agoThis looks familiar (and nice). Was it mentioned on HN before? Yup: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=standardebooks.org https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=standardebooks.org
- dang 6y agoThe two big threads are 2019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20594802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20594802 2017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14570035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14570035
- Pick-A-Hill2019 6y agoMeta comment: Huh, that is weird that the dupe detector didn't pick that up. I was going through some old bookmarks and submitted dark.fail and it hit the dupe detector as a duplicate submission from October 2019 from user rakefire. A few other links to different sites I tried submitting also hit the dupe detector too. Normally I do a hn.algolia.com search on the headline keywords (sorted by date) for anything current before submitting a link but after the third or fourth 'dupe' I dug out the Standard Ebooks link, gritted my teeth and mentally dared the dupe detector to find someone else on HN that had come across the site before. Turns out many had (lol). Your comment made me chuckle (and also scratch my head a little about the dupe-detector algorithm) so thanks for pointing it out (and have a +1 from me as thanks).
- detaro 6y agoAugust 2019 is over a year, which likely is the threshold for the detector.
- wpm 6y agoI wish I could browse more than 12 books at a time. Information density at an all time low my god
- AdmiralAsshat 6y agoYou could try the OPDS page: https://standardebooks.org/opds https://standardebooks.org/opds
- Symbiote 6y agoA search for a tag name seems to return everything that matches on one page: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks?query=science+fiction https://standardebooks.org/ebooks?query=science+fiction
- acabal 6y agoAgreed, I've been meaning to update the list view and add better sorting and filtering. The current list view was created when we just had a few pages of ebooks, and it made sense then. Now that we have hundreds of ebooks it doesn't make as much sense anymore. But the problem is finding the time!
- levlaz 6y agoI found this project about a year ago and it’s truly wonderful. Very high quality ebooks and an awesome collection that is growing by the day.
- robin_reala 6y agoWell, by the week :)
- eslaught 6y agoThey also have a very nice style manual that is useful reading for anyone who produces ebooks: https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.1.1 https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.1.1
- odyssey7 6y agoReminds me of mutopiaproject.org. Unfortunately, Mutopia Project’s site hasn’t been updated in a while. This is very cool and I hope it stays around.
- sudhirj 6y agoOne of me pandemic projects was to take the books on Standardebooks.org, parse the ePub and write transformations into HTML with indexing. Was trying to build a platform for me to write tech books on, but I wound up just enjoying getting into the classics again. Will probably delete my book and just make it a site to read the classics online. https://papiary.com/ https://papiary.com/
- BHSPitMonkey 6y agoThis is very nice! A nice addition would be a widget to allow changing between a few different font faces and color palettes (like you'd see in typical ebook readers or "reader mode" browser tools).
- sudhirj 6y agoThat’s what I was considering for a pro version. Would you pay something like $10 a year for that?
- young_unixer 6y agoWhat e-reader software for desktop computers do you recommend that doesn't look bad? It seems like a waste to read a carefully crafted ebook using Calibre, which is pretty bad from a graphical/aesthetic perspective. Foliate is better, but not great either. I'm thinking of running a Windows VM just to run Adobe Digital Editions and read epubs comfortably. Is there a better option?
- glotgizmo 6y agoSend the file to your kindle address if you have one and read using kindle cloud reader?
- AdmiralAsshat 6y agoFoliate looks fine, to my eyes, but I'm not sure what parts of it you dislike, so I'm limited in recommendations. Bookworm, perhaps? https://www.flathub.org/apps/details/com.github.babluboy.bookworm https://www.flathub.org/apps/details/com.github.babluboy.boo...
- acabal 6y agoFoliate is very good as far as desktop ereaders go. It also includes the SE catalog by default.
- bigbubba 6y agoI use nov.el in Emacs. I think it looks quite nice, but YMMV.
- resdev 6y agoI’ve created a webapp for Gutenberg catalog if anyone’s interested - https://bookdark.com https://bookdark.com Features: - works in all platforms with pdf format - faster navigation - faster search
- kwhitefoot 6y agoDoesn't work for me with Firefox 82.0.3 (64 bit) on Win10. Hitting the Read Book link just gives me a blank window with the Close Book link at the top. Took me a few moments to realize that this is because my Firefox is set to download PDFs instead of displaying them in Firefox.
- resdev 6y agoThanks for letting me know. Hopefully you can at least access the pdf by downloading. Just so you know, the pdf display embed only works in desktop screens etc., mobile screens would open pdf in a new tab in mobile browser. This is because pdf embed within app makes text to be too small for some readers.
- jgtrosh 6y agoHey, great idea. Just one thing: the two-level horizontal scroll doesn't work consistently for me, and just seems a bit weird. I feel like the top level navigation should be left to the obvious top links. I don't really see the point of visualising all the sections as a continuous whole, whereas the individual lists make sense to be scrollable.
- resdev 6y agoHey jgtrosh, Thanks for the valuable suggestion. I know exactly what you are referring to. The ui behavior is similar to mobile app, where I implemented kinda “force touch” in order to scroll right within that section. And regular scroll does page Navigation. I admit it’s takes some time to get used to. Regarding top navigation, I’ll need to research on what’s a better ui experience for mobile users. I did experiment with list based home screen, but I thought the information density is low for mobile screens. However for tags and authors it’s list based as you suggested. That being said, I’m planning an update in near future to include public domain audio Books where I can reform Home screen section behavior better for new users.
- clankyclanker 6y agoAre these changes ever contributed back to the Gutenberg library as updates? I’d like to assume so, but I can’t find anything indicating that’s done.
- AdmiralAsshat 6y agoYes. https://standardebooks.org/contribute/report-errors-upstream https://standardebooks.org/contribute/report-errors-upstream
- robin_reala 6y agoNot to blow my own trumpet too much, but I just finished producing a complete Poe short fiction collection for SE if you’re looking for something to read, and submitted 1,025 corrections back to Gutenberg’s collection in the process: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-allan-poe/short-fiction https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-allan-poe/short-fict...
- 0-_-0 6y agoThank you for your work on this, I was very happy when I saw Poe's writing pop up this morning among the releases [1]! [1]: https://standardebooks.org/rss/new-releases https://standardebooks.org/rss/new-releases
- ZeroGravitas 6y agoI was just thinking that it might be nice to form playlists of short stories from multiple books/authors. There's probably a bunch of lists (award winning, by genre, era etc). Seems a shame to enforce the bundling at a book level.
- jbboehr 6y ago> “The Fall of the House of User,” Sorry for bringing it up, but is that a typo in the description?
- kbradyno 6y agoIs there a site similar to this for books not in the public domain? I wouldn't mind paying for ebooks if they were this nice and didn't lock me into using one application...
- resdev 6y agoI think it would be hard for non public domain for one single reason - licensing and drm. Similar to how Netflix/Prime video don’t let us download the movie file without their app.
- nybble41 6y agoThere are non-public-domain ebooks out there without DRM. Kobo sells some, for example, though you have to check the format before purchasing since they aren't all DRM-free. Libreture has an extensive list of DRM-free ebook shops[1]. [1] https://www.libreture.com/bookshops/ https://www.libreture.com/bookshops/
- kbradyno 6y agoAh, excellent! Thank you!
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- 0-_-0 6y agoTheir RSS feed for new releases: https://standardebooks.org/rss/new-releases https://standardebooks.org/rss/new-releases
- ppod 6y agoThis looks great. Under 'compatible e-pub' format it says "all devices except kindles and kobos" -- I thought epub files worked on kobos?
- acabal 6y agoYou can transfer a regular epub to a Kobo, but it will trigger the ADE renderer, which is garbage. Think IE6-level rendering. Using a kepub file will trigger Kobo's better native renderer, which I strongly suspect is Webkit-based and can render lots of advanced CSS and even MathML.
- SamBam 6y agoHuh. I have two Kobos, a Kobo Clara HD and an older Kobo Glo HD from 2016, and I've never had any trouble sideloading epubs using Calibre. Perhaps the quality is lower, but I've certainly never noticed, compared with the books I've bought directly from Kobo.
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- lefstathiou 6y agoLove love love Standard Ebooks. If by some chance a maintainer reads this thread a couple requests: 1) There are a lot of obscure books which is great. Also doesn’t hurt to add some of the GOATS such as the works of Plato or perhaps even the Harvard Classics 2) Sorting on site is frustrating 3) I would be willing to commission high quality epubs and I’m sure others would too for my own benefit and humanity. For example I can get copies of the works for Plato on Gutenberg but it merits a Standard Ebooks edition and I wouldn’t blink at donating $250 or some number toward that cause. Knowing kids across the globe would have access to high quality digital editions is worth it to me. Worth exploring setting up a program for this.
- acabal 6y agoProject lead here. There's thousands of books we want to produce out there, and limited volunteer hours. If there's something you want to work on, it might be fun to get started as a producer for the project yourself. (Note that we ask that new producers start on a simpler project first, which might rule out some longer and more complicated stuff like Plato translations--at least to start with.) Our wanted ebook list includes a list of works that we think are good starts for first-time producers: https://standardebooks.org/contribute/wanted-ebooks https://standardebooks.org/contribute/wanted-ebooks I've been exploring the idea of crowdsourcing financing for ebook production. But I think we need some kind of not-for-profit framework set up first. If anyone is in that space and would like to talk about NFP infrastructure, or being a NFP fiscal sponsor, please contact me!
- cratermoon 6y agoI looked around on the site a bit and perused the source and I couldn't find the answer to my question: what sort of things are in the "advanced" epub version that aren't in the standard?
- robin_reala 6y agoThe “advanced” version is what we produce by default, before it’s processed for consumption by older readers. So, to give a couple of examples, CSS pseudoclasses are processed into actual classes, and MathML is rendered as PNGs. The hypothetical perfect ereader could support this natively, but for most ereaders its going to be a less buggy experience to go for the version with compatibility shims. (Incidentally, Kobo has an excellent MathML engine, so we don’t do the aforementioned PNG rendering for kepubs.)
- acabal 6y agoProject lead here. Glad to see that people like the project, and I'm happy to answer any questions. We're always looking for producers to volunteer to work on new ebooks. The process is a blend of many different disciplines, so if you're interested in art, literature, programming, and the command line, trying your hand at an SE production might be fun!
- berkes 6y agoFirst: thanks for this project. Currently halfway Gullivers Travels, and re-ead and re-discovered some great classics through your project. What are the plans for other languages, if any? I noticed that you have e.g. German or French originals translated to English. Is there place in the project for the original languages? And what about translations to other languages? If I'm going to read a translation of Les trois mousquetaires, I'd prefer a translation to my native language instead of English. Edit: saw the thread about this down below too late; was on mobile. Never mind my questions, they seem to be answered.
- fiftyacorn 6y agoI recommend the Jeeves and Wooster stories - https://standardebooks.org/ebooks?query=wooster https://standardebooks.org/ebooks?query=wooster
- cambalache 6y agoThis is fantastic, I had no idea of this site and thanks for that. Some weeks ago I had the idea to create a similar site to compete with Delphi , but you can't compete against free(in both senses), especially when the quality is very high. Kudos.
- 4AoZqrH2fsk5UB 6y agoI didn’t know about this and I love it. I’d been torrenting classic books and always felt a bit silly about it since they are long since out of copyright. These look beautiful. Great work.
- ben_pfaff 6y agoI just released what I think is a well crafted e-book for a favorite old science fiction book, with permission from the author: https://twirb.github.io https://twirb.github.io
- samwyse 6y agoHey! I own a copy of that, although I’m not sure where it is. A great fun read. I think I’ll download and read it again.
- bawolff 6y agoThat's very nice. It'd be great if one could view a compact list of all titles available. Viewing 20 at a time is frustrating.
- yesenadam 6y agoA hack to show every book on one page: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks?query=e https://standardebooks.org/ebooks?query=e displays every book with an e in the title or author's name on one page. I guess that doesn't leave out many.
- yesenadam 6y agoI think this prints out title and author of every book: curl https://standardebooks.org/opds/all | awk '/<title>/ {split($0,a,">");split(a[2],b,"<");printf b[1]} /<name>/{split($0,a,">");split(a[2],b,"<");print " - "b[1]}' | tail -r The tail -r is to reverse the output, it's otherwise in approximately reverse alphabetical order of author's first name. Output is Hadji Murád - Leo Tolstoy Pierre and Jean - Guy de Maupassant The Red House Mystery - A. A. Milne The Moon Pool - A. Merritt Fables - Aesop Poirot Investigates - Agatha Christie The Man in the Brown Suit - Agatha Christie ...
- acabal 6y agoThe "all" feed is sorted by most-recently-updated-first (this is part of the OPDS standard), so instead of tail -r you should pipe to sort.
- philsnow 6y agooh very nice. My machine doesn't have a `tail -r`, but it has `tac`, which I guess does the same thing. I tweaked your output to put author first, to make sorting work better: curl -s https://standardebooks.org/opds/all | awk '/<title>/ {split($0,a,">");split(a[2],b,"<")} /<name>/{split($0,c,">");split(c[2],d,"<");print d[1]" - "b[1]}' | sort gives something like: A. A. Milne - The Red House Mystery A. Merritt - The Moon Pool Aesop - Fables Agatha Christie - Poirot Investigates Agatha Christie - The Man in the Brown Suit Agatha Christie - The Murder on the Links Agatha Christie - The Mysterious Affair at Styles Agatha Christie - The Secret Adversary Aldous Huxley - Antic Hay ...
- gordon_freeman 6y agoI absolutely love this service and have downloaded the books and uploaded and synced them on my Google Books iOS app. Some books I'd like to recommend: Meditations, Dialogues, The Enchiridion, Discourses, and Siddhartha.
- idolaspecus 6y agoSiddhartha is there, not sure about the others. https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/hermann-hesse/siddhartha/gunther-olesch_anke-dreher_amy-coulter_stefan-langer_semyon-chaichenets https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/hermann-hesse/siddhartha/g... Edit: I thought you meant "recommend to add" vs. "these are available and I recommend them", my mistake.
- jibbers 6y agoThis is awesome! Is there a way to download every book you have? I have an eReader that I'd love to stuff full of these kinds of books.
- robin_reala 6y agoWe haven’t traditionally had that, as the books are improved gradually over time as we update the core frameworks and they get more proofing. A download all button would give you a static snapshot of a point in time that might take many years to consume.
- dn3500 6y agoI was thrilled when I read the part about not ignoring dashes. So I was a bit disappointed when I saw the "Rich & detailed metadata" screenshot had the dreaded double hyphen. Even acabal's replies on this thread use a double hyphen. I guess I shouldn't complain too much, even the New York Times misuses the double hyphen.
- acabal 6y agoMaybe you're referring to the LoC categories? Those are separated by two dashes as the industry standard for that metadata. The actual text of the books features correct em dashes.
- dhosek 6y agoI started reading The Arabian Nights a while back. The OCR errors in the edition that was in Apple's book store (which I believe was from Project Gutenberg) made the book damn near unreadable. I don't think I even finished the first volume (although I did eventually figure out that “cloth” was supposed to be “doth”).
- robin_reala 6y agoThat’s been on my list to produce for SE for a couple of years, but it’s dauntingly big.
- simonebrunozzi 6y agoHow could I submit my own book? I can't find a way.
- robin_reala 6y agoAs in to volunteer to produce a PD book? Try starting at https://standardebooks.org/contribute https://standardebooks.org/contribute If you mean submitting an ePub you’ve already worked on, then it would need to be redone to use our framework. By having a “Standard” imprint we can continuously upgrade and work on the whole corpus.
- simonebrunozzi 6y agoI wrote and published a book, currently under a friendly creative commons license. I would like it to be added to the list of books you have. The book is titled "Nonovvio", and it's in Italian language. [0] [0]: https://www.amazon.com/Nonovvio-Italian-Simone-Brunozzi-ebook/dp/B07B8MFDB8 https://www.amazon.com/Nonovvio-Italian-Simone-Brunozzi-eboo...
- robin_reala 6y agoAh, OK. We’re focused purely on English works in the first place (see conversation elsewhere in the thread), but we don’t accept modern works dedicated to the public domain anyway. Congratulations on getting your novel finished though! I’m always impressed by people who can complete a book.
- dartharva 6y agoGreat platform, but books should also be included in PDF format. Those of us with Windows PCs have no decent-looking option for an EPUB reader. I have been converting the EPUBs to PDFs (through online converters like Zamzar) and they look great in both formats.
- frankacter 6y agoHave you tried Calibre Windows based reader app, or a browser based extension EPUB reader or a web based viewer service like Google Books?
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