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Show HN: Twelve70 - Men's outfit generator and closet management
- bumpkinjunkie 6y agoThe "Show Labels" on the color options is a nice touch. I am colorblind and was clicking on purple instead of blue, etc., until I saw that feature. In fact, since this is targeted towards men, who are colorblind more than women (a quick google shows 1 in 12 men vs 1 in 200 females), it could be really helpful.
- mzongi 6y agoSick app. Big fan
- rubanraj 6y agoThanks! Glad you enjoy it.
- admiral33 6y agoDid you do the sketches yourself?
- rubanraj 6y agoYes, we did.
- cdubzzz 6y agoLooks interesting -- however much of the app does not work if www.googletagmanager.com is blocked. Is that necessary to the functionality or just an oversight?
- rubanraj 6y agoLate on this...but what are you using to block googletagmanager?
- tristor 6y agoI encountered the same issue. I refuse to whitelist blatant third-party trackers to use a service, so I checked it and then immediately closed the tab.
- Raphmedia 6y agoNot only that but it makes sharing the website a chore. Half the people you share it to will complain that it's not working at all... and try telling someone "here's a random link, make sure to disable your anti-trackers to visit it!"
- cdubzzz 6y agoDo general tracking blockers and mainstream lists block GTM though? I use a massive combined listed on a pi-hole so not sure which one it comes from. Just curious as there are, theoretically, non-invasive, non-ad tracking use cases for GTM.
- Silhouette 6y agoI think Google ran out of good will/benefit of the doubt when it comes to tracking tech a long time ago. AFAIK, every blocker tool I use on any platform, which probably includes most of the well-known ones by now, will block GTM in the default configuration. If a site doesn't work properly with GTM blocked, legitimate use case or not, personally I normally just move on. Unless I have a compelling reason to need that site, I won't make any attempt to work around it or change my blocker settings. The only Google property I'm aware of that isn't routinely blocked by these kinds of tools now is Google Fonts, and I think some of them even block that by default now.
- nitrogen 6y agoGTM is usually the wedge that marketing uses to pry its way into a site's code without engineering involvement, and thus blocking GTM will often prevent a huge list of other trackers, ads, and late-loading content changes from being loaded.
- unethical_ban 6y agoI'm running it in a private tab with all tracking protection and ublock off, and it is still slow. Slashdotted, maybe?
- rubanraj 6y agoDefinitely an oversight. I'll fix it right away. My apologies.
- cdubzzz 6y agoThanks! Now you’ll just have the big traffic bump to deal with (:
- maerF0x0 6y agoShould be ShowHN: Awesome app. Really, really, slow on my end.
- seshagiric 6y agoI clicked 'select bottom' and then it went to infinite loop...trying to think if it means something :)
- Anon4Now 6y agoColorblind people would be a good target market. Two people in my family are colorblind, and picking out things that match can be a challenge for them.
- cvhashim 6y agoDid it break? Web site loads up but doesn’t seem to be working on mobile safari.
- rubanraj 6y agoIt's getting the hug of death...I'm upping the resources
- supernova87a 6y agoIt's a great time to be putting out the alpha version of this -- only has to handle array[1] item of each of clothing type as you sit in front of your monitor at home!
- szundi 6y agoDoes not work on iPhone
- rubanraj 6y agogive it another shot. The resources were too low for the amount of traffic.
- dubcanada 6y agoSeems to be getting hugged to death. From the brief amount of time playing with it, it seems to be rather basic in it's outfit generation. For example I picked an orange tennis sweater. And it recommended black full zip jacket (to go over the orange tennis sweater? so basically they recommend you not wear a orange tennis sweater?), hot pink trousers and white espadrilles. So it seems to match color with a random item (hot pink trousers and a black top? and white shoes?). The shoes are also summer shoes, and if you are wearing a sweater with a zip up jacket over top you probably need more then a single ply fabric shoe with rope soles. Second time it picked a brown fleece jacket to go over your orange sweater, with khaki pants, and light blue tennis sneakers. First why would you ever wear a fleece jacket over top of a tennis sweater, usually tennis sweaters are knit so you are wearing sheep on top of sheep, unless you are playing in -20c probably a bit excessive. Moral of the story is it seems to be more of a random clothing articles mixed with colour combinations then an actual outfit generator.
- mmm_grayons 6y agoBack in my day, we used to call "closet management" and "outfit generator" a "wife".
- renewiltord 6y agoMate, you can't say that.
- inetsee 6y agoAre you saying that your wife has never said "Are you really going to wear that?"
- zaroth 6y agoMy suggestion; defer the signup. Just create a shell account and let people start creating outfits. The more work they do, the more likely they are to want to “Save”, i.e. create an account. I wonder if you have stats on how many sessions click “Closet”, see the signup page and don’t click through. Let prospective users actually do something with your app, and as long as the session is unregistered keep an obvious button to Save/Register on screen.
- rubanraj 6y agoI just switched over from the 'shell account' for the closet, to what it is now. Just testing the waters, but thanks for the advice. I'll look at the stats and see which works better.
- omeze 6y agoI consider myself a male fashion fan, not bleeding edge but I spend a few hundred to a few thousand on clothes per year. Generally I think the interface is good (other than the latency that others have pointed out). But the outfit recommendations seem quite bad/nonsensical (sorry for bluntness): For a denim trucker jacket (a fairly common outerwear in many menswear lines/people's closets) it recommended: One outfit with Sand colored shoes + Khakis (no contrast between shoes/pants...) Two outfits that had no shirts but another jacket (eg a red track jacket...) Its not all bad, one example outfit generated from a plain white crwwneck sweater was clever - olive flight jacket + orange trousers + white mocassins. I wonder how you've built the recommendation engine. Is it using a dataset to generate these (maybe include a real photo of the look?) Or is it generating them based on color/style rules? Or (what Id hope) a combination (learn rules from a lookbook dataset that can give general tips then also fall vs spring tips). Either way, thanks for sharing - this is a fun tool to play with but it feels like I'm searching for needles in a haystack right now.
- baron816 6y agoEven if it worked well, it hard to believe using it would be less effort than figuring things out on your own. Men who care about what they look like are probably going to have decent instincts about what to wear. Men who don’t care, well, they’re not going to try.
- Timpy 6y agoI think there's a third very specific category of "men who care but don't know how, but they love making systems out of things to help solve their problems." You might find one or two of these kinds on Hacker News.
- omeze 6y agoTotally agree & I started in this category so I can sympathize. I spent more $ & time in dressing rooms than I care to admit to figure out what specific outfit combinations worked and how different brands fit. Having something like this that worked well would've been an amazing starting point, and I was hoping that Pinterest's visual search feature would eventually become something like this (as that'd get me to actually use Pinterest). I think more men would dress well if it weren't so hard!
- gk1 6y agoThis is really neat. Tried a few variations and the recommendations are not too shabby. Personally, I've solved the "what to wear" problem by simplifying my wardrobe to just a few basic items, each item available in several safe colors that are easy to mix-and-match. In the past I agonized over what to wear. Now I can get dressed in the pre-dawn darkness and come out looking alright.
- petargyurov 6y agoI like the idea, but the illustrations are too basic. I think something with more depth and artistic style is required. Right now a lot of them look more or less identical. Real world examples would be great as well.
- pugworthy 6y agoTo save us black t-shirt fans some time, here's a quick link... https://www.twelve70.com/outfits?category1=top&item1=t-shirt&color1=black&closetOnly=0 https://www.twelve70.com/outfits?category1=top&item1=t-shirt...
- robjan 6y agoIt seems to be pretty random. I clicked that link and all of the outfits were black t-shirt with different colour cargo shorts and random shoes like white tassle moccasins. Then I refreshed the page and the suggestions were much less whacky.
- bagacrap 6y agoit recommended me brown shoes, pants and jacket. I think I'd look like a plastic army man if I followed this site's advice.
- Snitch-Thursday 6y agoI enjoyed this app. Features that occurred to me that I'd want if I were to create an account: can I mark which clothing options I own vs don't? For items I don't own, could my account hold my measurements to give appropriate Amazon shopping links (with affiliates to this site probably) so if I want an outfit I just hit 'buy'? Can I get 5 outfits generated for a workweek, with each of the 5 ensuring they are not reusing tops/bottoms back to back on same day?
- rubanraj 6y agoYep, you can add items you own in the closet, then you can generate outfits with only those items. Re: measurements...that's on our roadmap. That can definitely be implemented without much effort.
- cridenour 6y agoLooks like a great start. I worked in this space for a couple years with Cladwell [0] and would be happy to chat with you on what worked and didn't. Definitely came with it's own scaling issues as our users would add 400 items from their closets, generating tens of millions of outfits! [0] https://cladwell.com https://cladwell.com
- c_prompt 6y agoI consider this a funny story. You might consider it just sad... Preface: my style could be considered wanting when it comes to picking out my own clothes. Many years ago, I did a complete refresh of my clothes because nothing fit and everything was well-worn. So I took a buddy whom I considered stylish to Nordstrom's and he, along with the salesperson, took what I gave them as my budget and general requirements to pick out a complete wardrobe. They did so. However, there were so many different items and colors and I didn't know how to mix and match. So my friend devised the following list which I still keep: Matching: Yellow Polo goes everything but black (blue and mocha best) Blue check goes with gray and stone (blue and stone best) Dark tan herringbone goes with black, camel, tan, stone (olive and mocha ok) Camel (shiney) goes with tan, black, mocha, and olive Camel (short-sleeve button down) goes with mocha, olive, and black (tan is average) Eggplant/Plum button down goes with blue, black, gray, camel, mocha, and tan Taupe goes with tan, stone, black, and camel (not blue) Purple goes with tan, stone, black, camel, blue, and mocha (not olive) Blue/Gray (slate) t-shirt goes with tan, black, and navy (stone is best and camel is ok) Sky blue t-shirt goes with everything but olive (tan and stone are best, black is ok) Burgundy t-shirt goes with everything (olive best) Olive/Green t-shirt goes with stone, tan, black, camel, and mocha (olive is ok) Black pants always black belt Tan (with black) -> black Tan (with lighter/softer) -> brown Yellow -> brown Tan goes with either Herringbone goes with either Green -> brown Mocha will almost always wear brown (except if black pants, then either) Black and blue pants will be black shoes except for light shirt (e.g., yellow) Stone will more often go with brown except with purple and black shirt (though not necessary) Treat gray as black Socks always match pants or darker Earth tone pants with black socks ok in bind Don't mix belt and shoes Served me many years. Sadly, none of those clothes fit me anymore. So here I am again...
- rubanraj 6y agoOh man, that's alot of hardcoded rules to follow. They seem to make sense. Would it help if we suggested capsule closets to guide you? For example closet#1 has a set number of items for each category which you can just click and buy in your size and have added to the site closet. Then you can go and generate outfits from everything you own...?
- Animats 6y agoSomeone actually built the closet program from Clueless![1] [1] https://youtu.be/XNDubWJU0aU https://youtu.be/XNDubWJU0aU
- antihero 6y agoSeems like a fun idea, but for some reason it seems to hide a bunch of second choices? E.g. I was seeing if I could get a black tank + black leather jacket + black jeans + black combats (what I wear daily) and it wont let me :( Perhaps it's not really geared toward niche/subculture fashion?
- puranjay 6y agoFantastic! Unlike a lot of similar apps, this actually generated decent enough outfits. The pairings were good, especially the color combinations. I do believe that the shoe suggestions are uniformly bad - sockless moccasins with camo pants is not a good look! But for most people, I would say it's a great start
- rubanraj 6y agoFashion is always going to have its bias'. The algorithm does need some tweaking. But once you have your closet filled with the items you own, it will be more useful to you.
- irrational 6y agoThis is fantastic. 90% of my wardrobe is shorts and t-shirts (basically my daily outfit since growing up in South Florida 30-40 years ago). But, I have thought on occasion that I would like to upscale my wardrobe. I just have no idea how to go about it. At least this website could tell me what might go well together. It's a start.
- throwaway201103 6y agoI'm the same. I'm wearing a non-brand polo shirt and jeans most days. Honestly, I'd go to a good mens clothing store and talk to them about your goals. Don't buy too much at once, try to stay fairly classic/timeless at first until you figure out what you like. I can't do it because I'm too much of a tightwad to spend $180+ on a shirt, or $1,000 on a blazer, which is what the average is at the store I'm thinking of. But they will work with you, get your measurements, and do alterations so that the stuff you buy really fits well (which is a big part of what makes an outfit look really good -- it's more than just the right combination of colors).
- breck 6y agonit: I can think of 1 brand that has numbers in its name: 7-11 (and not a western brand). I haven't actually looked at hard data, but my guess is you decrease your odds of success by having a number in your brand name.
- samatman 6y ago7-11 is famously an American brand. The Japanese bought it, and admittedly they've taken it further than the USA ever did. Neither 23andMe, nor Forever 21, seem to be doing poorly. Don't think this one is a show stopper.
- joegahona 6y ago- Burgundy athletic shorts - Light pink long-sleeve henley - Khaki duffle coat - Black penny loafers
- rubanraj 6y ago....that shouldn't be happening.
- dsr_ 6y agoTwo bits: - your terms of service says that it's the user's responsibility to maintain a backup. Do you actually offer a data download service, or is this just legal fluff that you copied? - when someone uses one or two seed items to look for outfits, and you don't know that they have other items in their closet already, you could (and probably should) offer to link them to a site that sells that stuff. Don't offer to sell them a seed item or something that you know that they already own.
- rubanraj 6y ago- Thanks for catching that. It was copied for the most part, and I must've missed that section. - We are connected with one retailer and working to connect with more. Some of the items in the outfits have a shopping bag icon which indicated that there are items available to shop.
- danielovichdk 6y agoI am not wearing jeans with a red sweater, Green jacket and pink shoes.
- rubanraj 6y agoI do have to admit, some of the outfits could be a bit more fashion forward with the way the algorithm is setup right now. But if you were to add items to your closet and generate outfits, you would get results more towards your taste. Using it without a closet and limited preference settings acts more of an idea bank.
- dbandstra 6y agoThis is fun to mess around with. It would be nice if you could select "climate" (like daily weather or even season) as an additional input. It keeps adding puffy vests and jackets over an already warm shirt. Maybe loosen up the top/outerwear distinction? e.g. a flannel shirt could also serve as outerwear.
- rubanraj 6y agoYou can set your weather if you click the gear icon on the top right. If you set it to 'use current' it will update the weather every time you're on the site. We're working on the layering aspect which will have flannels and cardigans as outerwear layers.
- dbandstra 6y agoCool, I missed that :) The temperature setting does seem to make it stop picking puffy jackets, although it's still coming up with some pretty heavy outfits. I'm sure that's just a matter of simple tweaking. Will keep an eye on this, it's nice even if it picks some crazy outfits. At least it gets you thinking outside the box.
- rubanraj 6y agoDefinitely alot of tweaking ahead of us. We're working on a layering function that should complement the outfits better for the weather. It becomes more useful when you add items to the closet. The general generator, although curated, does throw some out of box ideas.
- gao8a 6y agoGreat app! It's very clean and aesthetic will no doubt build trust in your user demographic. idk why but every wife beater combo makes me chuckle https://www.twelve70.com/outfits?category1=top&item1=tanktop&color1=white&closetOnly=0 https://www.twelve70.com/outfits?category1=top&item1=tanktop...
- asdfman123 6y agoI got a red oxford shirt, purple fleece vest, navy jeans and navy hiking shoes. Has AI gone too far?
- Aeolun 6y agoI cannot add any outerwear to my closet because the menu at the bottom completely covers that option if you’ve already added pants and shirts. The design of this website can do with a little cleanup.
- yomansat 6y agoVery very nice PWA, it feels like a native app. This would serve as a great example to people, thank you!
- rubanraj 6y agoThanks! It's definitely been a big learning curve for that.
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- armatav 6y agoOkay but link me to the items on Amazon via a referral so I can actually buy it - I don't have "yellow velcro sneakers". Yet.
- hombre_fatal 6y agoWhile cool, I feel like if you're a guy who finds this service useful, you'd have trouble with the hard part of finding the concrete article of clothing that reifies the plan and knowing that it still looks good. As that's really the whole hard part of matching clothes. There's a massive chasm between the abstract pictures of the clothes and what you could end up wearing. I think it would be more helpful to let men select actual shots of real clothes with price tags that they can buy (clothes they might already have), and then generate images of the accompanying clothes along with with prices that they can buy. Much nicer looking at actual merchandise than an <svg>. When I was in my early 20s and clueless about what looked good, I really just wanted to spin a "Next Model" button until a guy had an outfit I liked and then purchase it. For example, I would go on clothing sites and shop by looking at the male models. I precisely lacked the taste to go from these abstract <svg>s to concrete clothes. I wanted to see an actual look and just buy it or parts of it.
- cercatrova 6y agoRead through r/malefashionadvice and their wiki, they have a bunch of info on how to improve your style. Specifically, they have threads every day called What Are You Wearing Today which has people take pictures of themselves and what they're wearing specifically (brands, name of clothing SKU) which you can then pick up to buy if you like it, or find alternatives for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/wiki https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/wiki
- rubanraj 6y agoHaving real world examples is on our roadmap. We understand that people want to see more relatable images, but keeping it analog to begin with simplifies the process.
- peterwwillis 6y agoFor the international version, I recommend including non-upper-middle-class-white-westerner clothes. Kilt, caftan,dhoti-kurta, pheran, kimono, etc. Also missing: hats! Where are all the hats? And belts?? You can't wear a random belt with any old pants and shoes. And watch??? From a fashion perspective I would also put a big yellow warning sign over the cargo pants/shorts. Unless you're a carpenter, a photographer, or some other working person who needs to carry more than a wallet and a phone, no men should be wearing those. From a sample selection of jeans and polo it recommended to me an orange polo shirt, a burgundy hooded down jacket, dark denim jeans, and yellow velcro sneakers. So probably there's some bugs to work out still. :)
- rubanraj 6y agoHad to start somewhere, we'll branch out when the time comes, thanks for the suggestions though. Accessories are in the works, don't worry, we haven't forgotten about them. Yes, cargo pants/shorts are very functional pieces, but they can also be worn in a casual settings as well. Some pants come with slimmer streamlined pockets that aren't necessarily meant to hold large items. It'll be more relevant if you add items you already own to the closet and generate outfits using those. Fashion is always somewhat bias, generating without having things in your closet will give you a ton of options that might fall outside your realm of acceptable fashion.(But yes, there are a few bugs scurrying around that need squashing)
- mdifrgechd 6y agoIt looks good to me! One suggestion I did not see was to be able to add hair color and complexion. Some of the suggestions I had I would not have gone with because of mismatch with my skin & hair.
- rubanraj 6y agoThat's a bit advanced for the stage it is at now, but it is on our roadmap. We realize that skin tone and hair color play a big role with the colors of clothes, and plan to integrate it down the road.
- gwilikers 6y agoSome of the recommendations don’t make a lot of sense (fashion or otherwise —- a hoodie, sport coat, and shorts?) but the idea is killer and it’s fun to play around with! Would love to see more of this after tuning the recommendations. :)
- rubanraj 6y agoKeep an eye out for v2 in about a month ;)
- danieljohnson 6y agoI gave you a code review after you posted on Reddit, a while ago. I'm happy to see you're still hustling this, and let me know if you want that second review. Cheers!
- rubanraj 6y agoAbsolutely! I'll take any help. Send me an email info at twelve70 dot com. Thanks!
- graphpapa 6y agoThis is fun, but the fashion police descend undeterred
- rubanraj 6y agohaha, didn't realize there were so many qualified ones here. It definitely requires some tweaks, glad you enjoy it.
- cercatrova 6y agoTo anyone wanting to improve their fashion sense, read through r/malefashionadvice and their wiki, they have a bunch of info on how to improve your style. Specifically, they have threads every day called What Are You Wearing Today which has people take pictures of themselves and what they're wearing specifically (brands, name of clothing SKU) which you can then pick up to buy if you like it, or find alternatives for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/wiki https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/wiki
- joostdecock 6y agoPet peeve: style != fashion Style can't really be captured in simple rules, but is easy to recognize. You know when you see a stylish person, even if you can't put your finger on why that is. Fashion is a vehicle to sell you more crap. It's a maze of ever-changing rules that you're supposed to navigate or risk a fashion faux-pas. If the advice comes in the form of rules like "always leave the bottom button of a waistcoat undone", run away. If it's more like,"an off the shoulder design is more flattering for larger sizes", pay attention. But also: you can wear whatever you want. The difference between a faux-pas and a bold fashion statement is confidence and (sadly) attractiveness of the wearer. So wear what makes you feel good/confident. That's your best investment.
- cercatrova 6y agoThat is indeed why I said style and not fashion. MFA has a few different styles you can choose from, but they're not all the styles available, of course there are infinite, at least as many as there are humans on this planet. Nevertheless, some styles can still be learned as basics before being transformed into your own style.
- joostdecock 6y agoDidn't mean to criticize your input. The combination of fashion in subreddit name and style in your own wording triggered my pet peeve, that's all.
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- rkagerer 6y agoNice UI, looks straightforward to monetize. Need an investor?
- rubanraj 6y agoThanks! We're open to discussing it. Do you have an email we can contact you at?
- rkagerer 6y agoSure! No pressure. I don't want to post my real email here (spam reasons), but reach out to me at rkhnews@trashmail.com and we can connect. That temporary address should be good for a couple weeks. Will also send you a note to the contact email linked on your website.