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I am 100% convinced, tangentially, that mobile OS point releases use emoji as user bait to have a stronger guarantee of regular security updates. "update now t

I am 100% convinced, tangentially, that mobile OS point releases use emoji as user bait to have a stronger guarantee of regular security updates. "update now to get access to :burrito: and :taco:! (also fix the following 12 CVEs that 90% of our userbase doesn't know about or read)"

capableweb 6y ago
:burrito: and :taco: are not emojis as such though, they are more alike good old "smileys" that turns characters into images. Supporting emojis would be to support the UTS#51 https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/ https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/ natively.
- hprotagonist 6y ago
  that's what i meant, but i was using the shortcode in my message here. "add a glyph to the emoji keyboard" is more precise.
  - elFarto 6y ago
    I'm not sure HN will even allow emojis: Burrito: Taco: edit No, it stripped those :'(.
    - madeofpalk 6y ago
      wait they remove emojis from comments?
      - seba_dos1 6y ago
        Just as they remove plenty of other Unicode characters here.
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      - airstrike 6y ago
        Not every emoji ⌛
        deathanatos 6y ago
        I'm guessing that that's b/c that's one of those that is inside the BMP?
        Dylan16807 6y ago
        It removes almost all of the ones inside and almost all of the ones outside.
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clon 6y ago
With 10%, I believe you are overguesstimating the share of users that know/care about CVE-s.
- Sargos 6y ago
  That was his point. Users don't know/care about CVEs but love want/want the new emojis. Everyone wins.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
On my Mac, I spent an evening figuring out how Apple's emoji picker works and backporting all the emoji's instead. But I'm not entirely sure what this says about me. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/updating-maverickss-emoji-picker.2260530/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/updating-maverickss-emo...
xxpor 6y ago
If this was ever a conscious decision, it was genuinely brilliant. Much better to have a carrot rather than the stick of "you'll get hacked (except probably not)"
- black_puppydog 6y ago
  You mean much better to have a :carrot: ? :slight_smile: In any case, this must be the most ridiculous carrot yet. :D
  - pen2l 6y ago
    As a millennial whose only chatting activities are confined to irc and doesn’t really get emojis — could someone please articulate this phenomenon in terms that would be meaningful to me? I’ve seen sentences sometimes where words are actually replaced with emojis... is this how some subset of people actually communicate online or that’s just for some effect of irony?
    - hprotagonist 6y ago
      ironic effect is, of course, communication all by itself. My use of emoji in messaging applications is primarily limited to quick rebus-like reaction replies to meme images, a quick and dirty reaction to a message in slack expressing some vague emotional response, or making complicated fart-jokes with my partner that rely on a lot of out of band information. (i also use IRC on the daily, and have been known to use emoji there too, so these communication forms are not disjoint)
    - eat_veggies 6y ago
      It can be a way of adding intonation and other affective, out-of-band communication back into text. I never really see people use them purely to replace words one-for-one. But interspersed throughout a message, emojis can, as you say, add irony, but also communicate that a message that could be taken as ironic isn't, or communicate some other subtext. Text is a flattening of speech, and emojis can add some of those missing dimensions back -- and, like our IRL verbal cues, tics, and gestures, they can be hard to decode if you're not "in" on the game.
skocznymroczny 6y ago
Can I have an update that brings back pistols instead of water guns?
- samatman 6y ago
  Easily†, for yourself. Emoji are just fonts, and with some search engine sleuthing, you can find an OG pistol emoji out there, pop open your system emoji font in an editor, and replace the water pistol with a pistol pistol. Everyone else will still see the Nerfed version, of course. †For some value of easy
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  But but water guns protect you from launching a mass-shooting attack! Don't expose yourself to such hateful symbols!
gumby 6y ago
What an insightful observation! It has a lot of follow on implications too.
jtsiskin 6y ago
Not tangentially; per the article “And it's amusing to see [Apple using new emojis](https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-31-apple-ios-11-1-new-emojis-security-updates.html https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-31-apple-ios-11-1-new-emoji...) as a carrot to get people to install the latest security patches.”

capableweb 6y ago

:burrito: and :taco: are not emojis as such though, they are more alike good old "smileys" that turns characters into images. Supporting emojis would be to support the UTS#51 https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/ https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/ natively.

hprotagonist 6y ago
that's what i meant, but i was using the shortcode in my message here. "add a glyph to the emoji keyboard" is more precise.
- elFarto 6y ago
  I'm not sure HN will even allow emojis: Burrito: Taco: edit No, it stripped those :'(.
  - madeofpalk 6y ago
    wait they remove emojis from comments?
    - seba_dos1 6y ago
      Just as they remove plenty of other Unicode characters here.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
    - airstrike 6y ago
      Not every emoji ⌛
      - deathanatos 6y ago
        I'm guessing that that's b/c that's one of those that is inside the BMP?
        Dylan16807 6y ago
        It removes almost all of the ones inside and almost all of the ones outside.
  - deleted 6y ago
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clon 6y ago

With 10%, I believe you are overguesstimating the share of users that know/care about CVE-s.

Sargos 6y ago
That was his point. Users don't know/care about CVEs but love want/want the new emojis. Everyone wins.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

On my Mac, I spent an evening figuring out how Apple's emoji picker works and backporting all the emoji's instead. But I'm not entirely sure what this says about me. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/updating-maverickss-emoji-picker.2260530/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/updating-maverickss-emo...

xxpor 6y ago

If this was ever a conscious decision, it was genuinely brilliant. Much better to have a carrot rather than the stick of "you'll get hacked (except probably not)"

black_puppydog 6y ago
You mean much better to have a :carrot: ? :slight_smile: In any case, this must be the most ridiculous carrot yet. :D
- pen2l 6y ago
  As a millennial whose only chatting activities are confined to irc and doesn’t really get emojis — could someone please articulate this phenomenon in terms that would be meaningful to me? I’ve seen sentences sometimes where words are actually replaced with emojis... is this how some subset of people actually communicate online or that’s just for some effect of irony?
  - hprotagonist 6y ago
    ironic effect is, of course, communication all by itself. My use of emoji in messaging applications is primarily limited to quick rebus-like reaction replies to meme images, a quick and dirty reaction to a message in slack expressing some vague emotional response, or making complicated fart-jokes with my partner that rely on a lot of out of band information. (i also use IRC on the daily, and have been known to use emoji there too, so these communication forms are not disjoint)
  - eat_veggies 6y ago
    It can be a way of adding intonation and other affective, out-of-band communication back into text. I never really see people use them purely to replace words one-for-one. But interspersed throughout a message, emojis can, as you say, add irony, but also communicate that a message that could be taken as ironic isn't, or communicate some other subtext. Text is a flattening of speech, and emojis can add some of those missing dimensions back -- and, like our IRL verbal cues, tics, and gestures, they can be hard to decode if you're not "in" on the game.

skocznymroczny 6y ago

Can I have an update that brings back pistols instead of water guns?

samatman 6y ago
Easily†, for yourself. Emoji are just fonts, and with some search engine sleuthing, you can find an OG pistol emoji out there, pop open your system emoji font in an editor, and replace the water pistol with a pistol pistol. Everyone else will still see the Nerfed version, of course. †For some value of easy
Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
But but water guns protect you from launching a mass-shooting attack! Don't expose yourself to such hateful symbols!

gumby 6y ago

What an insightful observation! It has a lot of follow on implications too.

jtsiskin 6y ago

Not tangentially; per the article “And it's amusing to see [Apple using new emojis](https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-31-apple-ios-11-1-new-emojis-security-updates.html https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-31-apple-ios-11-1-new-emoji...) as a carrot to get people to install the latest security patches.”