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Don't forget to add that Apple is now doing this on their version of a "budget" laptop that has no active cooling, that gets 18-20 hours of battery life, that r

Don't forget to add that Apple is now doing this on their version of a "budget" laptop that has no active cooling, that gets 18-20 hours of battery life, that runs emulated x86 code with almost no performance hit and is a 1st gen product. I don't think any of these details can be understated. Even AMD's 1st gen Ryzen kind of sucked and look where that is now.

kllrnohj 6y ago
> Don't forget to add that Apple is now doing this on their version of a "budget" laptop that has no active cooling The Anandtech tests were on an actively-cooled Mac Mini and the power draw numbers they were observing were far outside of what can be passively cooled in a laptop. You'd need to wait for Air-specific results before drawing too many conclusions on how it performs.
- bstar77 6y ago
  AnandTech isn't the only one providing benchmarks, they are rolling in from all over the place now. People are running 15 minute finale cut pro jobs and the fan isn't kick in on the macbook pro.
  - offtop5 6y ago
    Any word on if Final Cut and Logic X are recompiled for Arm ?
    - andy_ppp 6y ago
      If they are Apple they are Universal apps I believe?
      - xsmasher 6y ago
        That's the same question being asked - have they been recompiled as universal apps?
        andy_ppp 6y ago
        Based on the benchmarks and the fact for Apple it’s only a recompile as they have been planning this I’m guessing yes. But unconfirmed.
    - bredren 6y ago
      FCP 10.5 dropped on 11/2: • Improved performance and efficiency on Mac computers with Apple silicon • Accelerated machine learning analysis for Smart Conform using the Apple Neural Engine on Mac computers with Apple silicon Discussion: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-updates-final-cut-pro-x-and-logic-pro-x-for-apple-silicon-macs-ahead-of-m1-launch.2267526/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-updates-final-cut...
      - offtop5 6y ago
        Thanks , my M1 macbook pro gets here tommorow so we'll see what happens
        bonestamp2 6y ago
        They said in the keynote that Logic had major improvements under arm as well. I can't remember if it's actually shipping yet.
    - mlyle 6y ago
      I installed updates a few days ago and the release notes say "support for Apple Silicon"...
tonyhb 6y ago
This is really the 12th generation of Apple's own chips, though - and the third of this particular design, if I recall correctly.
- JAlexoid 6y ago
  Are you claiming that A1 is in the same category as M1? If so... then Intel's latest chip generations should be traced back to 8088 in 1979.
  - seniorivn 6y ago
    that's exactly how people describe Intel lineup And architectural similarities between their first 14nm chip and their last 10nm chips are as m1 is similar to a12z at least, may be even their first 64bit
  - elteto 6y ago
    Intel CPUs _literally_ boot pretending to be 8088s [0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_mode https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_mode
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    There was never an A1; the first Apple-designed SoC was the A4 that shipped in iPad.
- bstar77 6y ago
  When I say first gen product, I mean the whole product, not just the chip used. It would be a very different situation if we were talking about an upgraded iPad with a new chip. This is a platform defining moment.
benhurmarcel 6y ago
> "budget" laptop At this price it's more expensive than 80% of best-selling laptops, so not quite budget. If you compare in price to Dell for example, they only compete with their XPS line, which is their high-end one. Apple only does high-end products, which is fine but doesn't make that model cheap.
- bstar77 6y ago
  That why I put the word budget in quotes. It's the cheapest laptop they make even though it isn't all that cheap.
- oflannabhra 6y ago
  > Apple only does high-end products I know this gets repeated often, but this is simply not true. Apple _does_ make high-end products, and they market themselves as a high-end brand, but Apple has always filled as many market segments as they can. There are plenty examples that prove this statement wrong: iPod Shuffle, iPhone SE, the $250 iPad. They never do deep discounts on their products though, so when they age or go stale they are far overpriced; and they do _not_ make value or budget models.
- danpalmer 6y ago
  To look at these CPUs a different way, it’s fairly competitive with Ryzen processors that cost $600-700 alone, except that will buy the whole Mac Mini.

kllrnohj 6y ago

> Don't forget to add that Apple is now doing this on their version of a "budget" laptop that has no active cooling The Anandtech tests were on an actively-cooled Mac Mini and the power draw numbers they were observing were far outside of what can be passively cooled in a laptop. You'd need to wait for Air-specific results before drawing too many conclusions on how it performs.

bstar77 6y ago
AnandTech isn't the only one providing benchmarks, they are rolling in from all over the place now. People are running 15 minute finale cut pro jobs and the fan isn't kick in on the macbook pro.
- offtop5 6y ago
  Any word on if Final Cut and Logic X are recompiled for Arm ?
  - andy_ppp 6y ago
    If they are Apple they are Universal apps I believe?
    - xsmasher 6y ago
      That's the same question being asked - have they been recompiled as universal apps?
      - andy_ppp 6y ago
        Based on the benchmarks and the fact for Apple it’s only a recompile as they have been planning this I’m guessing yes. But unconfirmed.
  - bredren 6y ago
    FCP 10.5 dropped on 11/2: • Improved performance and efficiency on Mac computers with Apple silicon • Accelerated machine learning analysis for Smart Conform using the Apple Neural Engine on Mac computers with Apple silicon Discussion: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-updates-final-cut-pro-x-and-logic-pro-x-for-apple-silicon-macs-ahead-of-m1-launch.2267526/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-updates-final-cut...
    - offtop5 6y ago
      Thanks , my M1 macbook pro gets here tommorow so we'll see what happens
      - bonestamp2 6y ago
        They said in the keynote that Logic had major improvements under arm as well. I can't remember if it's actually shipping yet.
  - mlyle 6y ago
    I installed updates a few days ago and the release notes say "support for Apple Silicon"...

tonyhb 6y ago

This is really the 12th generation of Apple's own chips, though - and the third of this particular design, if I recall correctly.

JAlexoid 6y ago
Are you claiming that A1 is in the same category as M1? If so... then Intel's latest chip generations should be traced back to 8088 in 1979.
- seniorivn 6y ago
  that's exactly how people describe Intel lineup And architectural similarities between their first 14nm chip and their last 10nm chips are as m1 is similar to a12z at least, may be even their first 64bit
- elteto 6y ago
  Intel CPUs _literally_ boot pretending to be 8088s [0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_mode https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_mode
- saagarjha 6y ago
  There was never an A1; the first Apple-designed SoC was the A4 that shipped in iPad.
bstar77 6y ago
When I say first gen product, I mean the whole product, not just the chip used. It would be a very different situation if we were talking about an upgraded iPad with a new chip. This is a platform defining moment.

benhurmarcel 6y ago

> "budget" laptop At this price it's more expensive than 80% of best-selling laptops, so not quite budget. If you compare in price to Dell for example, they only compete with their XPS line, which is their high-end one. Apple only does high-end products, which is fine but doesn't make that model cheap.

bstar77 6y ago
That why I put the word budget in quotes. It's the cheapest laptop they make even though it isn't all that cheap.
oflannabhra 6y ago
> Apple only does high-end products I know this gets repeated often, but this is simply not true. Apple _does_ make high-end products, and they market themselves as a high-end brand, but Apple has always filled as many market segments as they can. There are plenty examples that prove this statement wrong: iPod Shuffle, iPhone SE, the $250 iPad. They never do deep discounts on their products though, so when they age or go stale they are far overpriced; and they do _not_ make value or budget models.
danpalmer 6y ago
To look at these CPUs a different way, it’s fairly competitive with Ryzen processors that cost $600-700 alone, except that will buy the whole Mac Mini.