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I use Windows for gaming but spend majority of my time in Linux now. Windows 10 is far and beyond better than Windows 7. What I don't get is people complain ab

I use Windows for gaming but spend majority of my time in Linux now. Windows 10 is far and beyond better than Windows 7. What I don't get is people complain about nagging to convert to Edge, yet every time I open google related stuff on my phone, I'm nagged for Chrome. On iOS, if you click a link on YouTube, it doesn't open in Safari, or ask to open in Safari, its like "hey, look at this great first option of Chrome which you don't have installed so I'll take you to the app store." For every...single...link. Then on my desktop, every google service I use, "wanna use chrome instead"?

tjoff 6y ago
Google are really bad at this yes. People forget the times before Chrome existed where google would sneak in the google-toolbar adware in internet explorer wherever they could (by paying everyone to default include it in other applications installers, among other sketchy avenues). It is amazing that they could uphold the image as the good guys at the time. And apple sneaking in applications on windows when updating quicktime (if I remember correctly). They all suck. But it is even worse to do this on their own desktop operating system. It is another level of insanity that I just don't accept. And it's not like one can throw some money at the problem either, they are just ruining their platform.
- BuckRogers 6y ago
  I have another take on this. While I normally would agree with those sentiments, I usually don’t mind suggestions when I agree with them. I think Edge is objectively a better choice for most users than Chrome. Better privacy, built for Windows by the folks that build Windows, with all the advantages in power and efficiencies that come with being the only native browser. They’re just getting started but it’s always going to be first class on Windows. Given it also has the underpinnings of the browser with 70% market share, it really has it all. Microsoft in this case, is truly doing their users a service. All this said by a Firefox diehard.
  - tjoff 6y ago
    Suggestions I don't mind, but this is not suggestions, it is ads. More like the telemarketer calling you at the most inappropriate times or pestering your grandparents to trick them into something they don't want nor need. There is no silver lining to this. It is despicable behavior that should not be rewarded.
  - krageon 6y ago
    This behaviour doesn't become ethical just because you agree with what they are pushing for. What they're doing is wrong, even if their end goal isn't a state which is in and of itself wrong.
    - BuckRogers 6y ago
      I don't really view that sort of thing as ethical or unethical. Of all the evils in the world... I wouldn't even call that an evil at all, not even on the list. I genuinely agree and believe that Edge is in the best interests of Windows users, and while less so because it's non-native, also users on most platforms that they support. When they say, "the internet is better with Edge", it's actually true this time.
- philliphaydon 6y ago
  > And apple sneaking in applications on windows when updating quicktime (if I remember correctly). OHHH Quicktime! Every time I put iTunes on my windows computer and auto-update would install Quicktime. Thanks for reminding me of those dark days.
  - 1_player 6y ago
    I hated the sneaky QuickTime on Windows so much that I avoided it like the plague when I finally got a Mac, even though it's the default player for most of its users.
    - drewzero1 6y ago
      VLC is better anyway, especially on older, slower Macs. I started using it over QT because by default it dropped frames instead of slowing playback to wait for the processor to catch up (like QT does/did).
Nextgrid 6y ago
Just because others do it doesn't make it okay; however a service is something you can decide to stop using, switch to a different one or block with an ad-blocker. Having it built into the OS is a whole different matter. I don't typically rely on YouTube for my work so the nagging is at best annoying, however if during a presentation a link click launched Edge instead of my default browser I'd be pretty pissed off.
vagrantJin 6y ago
I'm still on the first Win 10 free update version from 3-4 years ago. Never updated. The OS begs, threatens and finally just attempts to download an update without my permission but fails everytime as Ive taken great pains to keep my disk space at less than 5gigs. Works fine except everyfew hours i get blasted witg a fullscreen "windows could not update" I get that Mac is a dodgy OS. Windows is pure gangsterism.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  If you’re on an SSD, keeping less than 10% free would be severely harming your drive.

tjoff 6y ago

Google are really bad at this yes. People forget the times before Chrome existed where google would sneak in the google-toolbar adware in internet explorer wherever they could (by paying everyone to default include it in other applications installers, among other sketchy avenues). It is amazing that they could uphold the image as the good guys at the time. And apple sneaking in applications on windows when updating quicktime (if I remember correctly). They all suck. But it is even worse to do this on their own desktop operating system. It is another level of insanity that I just don't accept. And it's not like one can throw some money at the problem either, they are just ruining their platform.

BuckRogers 6y ago
I have another take on this. While I normally would agree with those sentiments, I usually don’t mind suggestions when I agree with them. I think Edge is objectively a better choice for most users than Chrome. Better privacy, built for Windows by the folks that build Windows, with all the advantages in power and efficiencies that come with being the only native browser. They’re just getting started but it’s always going to be first class on Windows. Given it also has the underpinnings of the browser with 70% market share, it really has it all. Microsoft in this case, is truly doing their users a service. All this said by a Firefox diehard.
- tjoff 6y ago
  Suggestions I don't mind, but this is not suggestions, it is ads. More like the telemarketer calling you at the most inappropriate times or pestering your grandparents to trick them into something they don't want nor need. There is no silver lining to this. It is despicable behavior that should not be rewarded.
- krageon 6y ago
  This behaviour doesn't become ethical just because you agree with what they are pushing for. What they're doing is wrong, even if their end goal isn't a state which is in and of itself wrong.
  - BuckRogers 6y ago
    I don't really view that sort of thing as ethical or unethical. Of all the evils in the world... I wouldn't even call that an evil at all, not even on the list. I genuinely agree and believe that Edge is in the best interests of Windows users, and while less so because it's non-native, also users on most platforms that they support. When they say, "the internet is better with Edge", it's actually true this time.
philliphaydon 6y ago
> And apple sneaking in applications on windows when updating quicktime (if I remember correctly). OHHH Quicktime! Every time I put iTunes on my windows computer and auto-update would install Quicktime. Thanks for reminding me of those dark days.
- 1_player 6y ago
  I hated the sneaky QuickTime on Windows so much that I avoided it like the plague when I finally got a Mac, even though it's the default player for most of its users.
  - drewzero1 6y ago
    VLC is better anyway, especially on older, slower Macs. I started using it over QT because by default it dropped frames instead of slowing playback to wait for the processor to catch up (like QT does/did).

Nextgrid 6y ago

Just because others do it doesn't make it okay; however a service is something you can decide to stop using, switch to a different one or block with an ad-blocker. Having it built into the OS is a whole different matter. I don't typically rely on YouTube for my work so the nagging is at best annoying, however if during a presentation a link click launched Edge instead of my default browser I'd be pretty pissed off.

vagrantJin 6y ago

I'm still on the first Win 10 free update version from 3-4 years ago. Never updated. The OS begs, threatens and finally just attempts to download an update without my permission but fails everytime as Ive taken great pains to keep my disk space at less than 5gigs. Works fine except everyfew hours i get blasted witg a fullscreen "windows could not update" I get that Mac is a dodgy OS. Windows is pure gangsterism.

colejohnson66 6y ago
If you’re on an SSD, keeping less than 10% free would be severely harming your drive.