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I had that exact experience in the famously non-corrupt Netherlands (2017). It’s not a China thing.

by SilasX 6y ago

seanmcdirmid 6y ago
Does the Netherlands have a rule that you register with the local public security bureau for wherever you are staying? I really don't see AirBnB working in China because of that.
- cheriot 6y ago
  Small, family run hostels in China manage to figure it out. AirBnBs in middle income countries operate much more like hotels than the empty apartments they're known for in the US and Europe.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    They do, the owner or someone with “works here” goes down to the station to register them; if they are a hotel they’ll be able to fax/scan it to the PSB. It isn’t self service.
- triceratops 6y ago
  > Does the Netherlands have a rule that you register with the local public security bureau for wherever you are staying? Yes, I believe they do (Vreemdelingendienst).
  - midasz 6y ago
    Not for a holiday though, only when you're planning on living here - which does makes sense.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      I couldn't find an official source in English, so I'm just going off what I found here: https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/europe-western-europe/topics/dutch-aliens-police https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/europe-western... For tourists, it's something that's rarely enforced. And if you stay at a hotel they'll handle it for you (or presumably, maintain records in case the police have questions).
      - owenversteeg 6y ago
        I'm Dutch. Before 2014, there was a rule (in theory) that foreigners staying at a non-hotel for more than 3 days had to register. In practice, it was not used. In 2014, this rule was completely eliminated. (There's a registration requirement if you stay more than 90 days as a foreigner, but since visas and visa free access to NL is for maximum 90 days anyway, this rule applies to basically nobody.) Here's an official source, in Dutch - Google Translate will get the general point across: https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-2014.html https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-20...
        triceratops 6y ago
        Oh gotcha, thanks. My info is outdated.
      - eythian 6y ago
        It doesn't, generally, exist. Here's something I found in Dutch: https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-2014.html https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-20... Machine translated, then lightly edited by me: > Short stay in the Netherlands > In anticipation of the amendment of the Vreemdelingenbesluit (Foreigners' Order), you no longer need to report to the vreemdelingenpolitie (foreigners' police) as a foreign national coming to the Netherlands for a maximum period of 90 days. There is one exception to this new rule. The Dutch representation abroad or the Koninklijke Marechaussee (Royal Military Police) may, in special cases, require you to report to the vreemdelingenpolitie in person within three days.
        6y ago
- hehetrthrthrjn 6y ago
  No, only if you're planning on living in the Netherlands for 3 months or more.
  - garmaine 6y ago
    As an American it is so weird that a country would require you to register with the police at all, no matter your length of stay.
    - vincnetas 6y ago
      I see registering your place of living is quite importand when dealing with local taxes. Ie when staying in one place for longer than some period of time, alos same information is used for social purposes, for example to assign your kids a place in kindergarten or school. It just so happens that this responsibility is assigned to police. By the way passport issuing is also i think is under police in LT. And yeah tourists who stay for long periods are handled with same subroutine (if i can say so). Stay at one place for prolonget period of time, please register.
    - shafyy 6y ago
      As an European, it seems weird that in the US you don't need to register your address at all, leading to this last-cenutry 10-year Census process.
      - mcntsh 6y ago
        As an American who now lives in Germany, it does make me think how the U.S works at all without this "registration". There are times where you fill out government forms with your address, but there's no way to know for sure where someone is living at any given moment. As far as the "government" is concerned (which government? state, local, federal? AFAIK it's all pretty decentralised) I'm still living at the place I registered to vote from years ago. I suppose it's cultural differences. There's a staunchly individualistic attitude in the US and the idea of a central government tracking its citizens is very unpopular. I get it, too. If you take a look at the "Anmeldung" process in Germany, where the government has a list of everyone and their race/religion/nationality, along with exactly where they live/which building/which floor/which side of the building, you can see how such a system could be dangerous if Germany were to ever shift from the liberal democracy it is today.
- Reason077 6y ago
  In the Netherlands, and elsewhere in Europe, it’s not because of any requirement that tourists must register with authorities, but rather that some towns and cities have rules that restrict (or even ban) short-term AirBnB style rentals. Here in London there is a 90-day rule (a property can’t exceed 90 days total short-term rentals per year), and it’s 60 days in Amsterdam. This is enforced on the AirBnB platform, but landlords will try to get around it by listing on multiple platforms or by having multiple listings for a property.
- the-dude 6y ago
  Dutch here. I don't for wherever. However, hotels are required to register their occupants to the city (council). This reasoning given is 'security', that is, the city should know in case of an emergency ( say, a nuclear attack ) who to rescue. Ahum. Of course, there is the nightly tourist taxes, that might have something to do with it too.
- powerapple 6y ago
  In UK as a foreigner you have to register within 7 days every time you move.

I had that exact experience in the famously non-corrupt Netherlands (2017). It’s not a China thing.

by SilasX 6y ago

I had that exact experience in the famously non-corrupt Netherlands (2017). It’s not a China thing.

Does the Netherlands have a rule that you register with the local public security bureau for wherever you are staying? I really don't see AirBnB working in China because of that.

cheriot 6y ago
Small, family run hostels in China manage to figure it out. AirBnBs in middle income countries operate much more like hotels than the empty apartments they're known for in the US and Europe.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  They do, the owner or someone with “works here” goes down to the station to register them; if they are a hotel they’ll be able to fax/scan it to the PSB. It isn’t self service.
triceratops 6y ago
> Does the Netherlands have a rule that you register with the local public security bureau for wherever you are staying? Yes, I believe they do (Vreemdelingendienst).
- midasz 6y ago
  Not for a holiday though, only when you're planning on living here - which does makes sense.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    I couldn't find an official source in English, so I'm just going off what I found here: https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/europe-western-europe/topics/dutch-aliens-police https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/europe-western... For tourists, it's something that's rarely enforced. And if you stay at a hotel they'll handle it for you (or presumably, maintain records in case the police have questions).
    - owenversteeg 6y ago
      I'm Dutch. Before 2014, there was a rule (in theory) that foreigners staying at a non-hotel for more than 3 days had to register. In practice, it was not used. In 2014, this rule was completely eliminated. (There's a registration requirement if you stay more than 90 days as a foreigner, but since visas and visa free access to NL is for maximum 90 days anyway, this rule applies to basically nobody.) Here's an official source, in Dutch - Google Translate will get the general point across: https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-2014.html https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-20...
      - triceratops 6y ago
        Oh gotcha, thanks. My info is outdated.
    - eythian 6y ago
      It doesn't, generally, exist. Here's something I found in Dutch: https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-2014.html https://www.politie.nl/themas/kort-verblijf-vreemdelingen-20... Machine translated, then lightly edited by me: > Short stay in the Netherlands > In anticipation of the amendment of the Vreemdelingenbesluit (Foreigners' Order), you no longer need to report to the vreemdelingenpolitie (foreigners' police) as a foreign national coming to the Netherlands for a maximum period of 90 days. There is one exception to this new rule. The Dutch representation abroad or the Koninklijke Marechaussee (Royal Military Police) may, in special cases, require you to report to the vreemdelingenpolitie in person within three days.
      - 6y ago
hehetrthrthrjn 6y ago
No, only if you're planning on living in the Netherlands for 3 months or more.
- garmaine 6y ago
  As an American it is so weird that a country would require you to register with the police at all, no matter your length of stay.
  - vincnetas 6y ago
    I see registering your place of living is quite importand when dealing with local taxes. Ie when staying in one place for longer than some period of time, alos same information is used for social purposes, for example to assign your kids a place in kindergarten or school. It just so happens that this responsibility is assigned to police. By the way passport issuing is also i think is under police in LT. And yeah tourists who stay for long periods are handled with same subroutine (if i can say so). Stay at one place for prolonget period of time, please register.
  - shafyy 6y ago
    As an European, it seems weird that in the US you don't need to register your address at all, leading to this last-cenutry 10-year Census process.
    - mcntsh 6y ago
      As an American who now lives in Germany, it does make me think how the U.S works at all without this "registration". There are times where you fill out government forms with your address, but there's no way to know for sure where someone is living at any given moment. As far as the "government" is concerned (which government? state, local, federal? AFAIK it's all pretty decentralised) I'm still living at the place I registered to vote from years ago. I suppose it's cultural differences. There's a staunchly individualistic attitude in the US and the idea of a central government tracking its citizens is very unpopular. I get it, too. If you take a look at the "Anmeldung" process in Germany, where the government has a list of everyone and their race/religion/nationality, along with exactly where they live/which building/which floor/which side of the building, you can see how such a system could be dangerous if Germany were to ever shift from the liberal democracy it is today.
Reason077 6y ago
In the Netherlands, and elsewhere in Europe, it’s not because of any requirement that tourists must register with authorities, but rather that some towns and cities have rules that restrict (or even ban) short-term AirBnB style rentals. Here in London there is a 90-day rule (a property can’t exceed 90 days total short-term rentals per year), and it’s 60 days in Amsterdam. This is enforced on the AirBnB platform, but landlords will try to get around it by listing on multiple platforms or by having multiple listings for a property.
the-dude 6y ago
Dutch here. I don't for wherever. However, hotels are required to register their occupants to the city (council). This reasoning given is 'security', that is, the city should know in case of an emergency ( say, a nuclear attack ) who to rescue. Ahum. Of course, there is the nightly tourist taxes, that might have something to do with it too.
powerapple 6y ago
In UK as a foreigner you have to register within 7 days every time you move.