4 ms·

FUD, actually. I did not see giving up and using past tense terms to describe OpenOffice when Oracle bought Sun and things did not go the way the community want

FUD, actually. I did not see giving up and using past tense terms to describe OpenOffice when Oracle bought Sun and things did not go the way the community wanted. The community simply routed around. What makes Mono different? How does this news mean anything for Mono at all aside from people not getting paid to work on it? Does the anti-Mono crowd just lay in wait for a negative story to further disseminate FUD? I've used Mono a few times and I just do not understand the treatment of Miguel and the project. The only answer I have ever deduced is that Mono is rooted in a Microsoft technology and the anti-Mono crowd apparently hates Microsoft.

phren0logy 15y ago
Well, perhaps I jumped the gun on declaring it dead, but my question stands. As far as I can tell, C# provides a lot of nice features. Despite that fact, it seems to be as MS-only as Objective-C is Apple-only. No technical reason for either, but it seems strong in the open-source culture.
- darklajid 15y ago
  I don't get that. You say that C# provides a lot of nice features. Mono offers a C# compiler. ObjC is for Apple only, because - they more or less control the field and push it hard there - other implementations lack the ecosystem - other implementations are far behind Mono gained quite a lot of traction (F-Spot, Banshee, Tomboy) on Linux, so far that it even allowed to 'backport' former Linux-only apps to Windows and OS X. You get the nice features C# provides, even if you are not on Windows. And you can rely on the same framework. : Except when you don't: WPF is the biggest example, other areas might lag behind as well. But you _can_ write software for multiple systems _or_ focus on Mono (Gtk#, Mono.Posix/Mono.Unix) only to rapidly write software on Linux.
  - phren0logy 15y ago
    I don't think I expressed myself very well. I'm saying that despite the nice features of C# that Mono brings to the table, it doesn't appear to have seen wide adoption. That's all. I didn't realize Tomboy was written in C#; that's great. I understand what Mono is, and that's why I'm confused that there don't seem to more (or at least, more visible) projects using it.
    - jimmyjazz14 15y ago
      You might check out http://www.mono-project.com/Software http://www.mono-project.com/Software and http://www.mono-project.com/Companies_Using_Mono http://www.mono-project.com/Companies_Using_Mono
  - thedeuce 15y ago
    Objc is not for apple only....GCC & GNUStep!All run perfectly fine on other platforms. Just because it's not widely used....maybe that will change considering the possible growth of objc again as apple's market share widens. sheesh ;p
- eropple 15y ago
  A number of GNOME applications (including Banshee, Ubuntu's default music player) are written in C#.
joe_the_user 15y ago
I did not see giving up and using past tense terms to describe OpenOffice when Oracle bought Sun and things did not go the way the community wanted. The community simply routed around. What makes Mono different? I think the difference is that OpenOffice is done. It is more or less complete and usable right now (if arguably far from ideal). The Mono Project still many missing pieces (like tools for finding memory leaks or documentation). Compared to OpenOffice's, Mono's situation rides much more how much people expect that it will be maintained, adopted and get "traction" in the future. That said, I don't know enough to say if Mono is "dead" or not. Edit: I think this is also a quality of development frameworks as opposed to end-user applications. This is why developers were rightly concerned about the future when Nokia changed its development plans.
lukeschlather 15y ago
You're comparing platforms and applications as if they were the same thing. OpenOffice is a single application. No one is going to have any trouble using that code base. The correct comparison is to Java. Oracle is currently suing Google over Sun's patents on Java. And people are fleeing Java in droves. And the language around Mono's licensing of patents is pretty transparently designed to give Microsoft the option of suing people building on Mono.
- rtaycher 15y ago
  "And people are fleeing Java in droves. " -evidence needed.

phren0logy 15y ago

Well, perhaps I jumped the gun on declaring it dead, but my question stands. As far as I can tell, C# provides a lot of nice features. Despite that fact, it seems to be as MS-only as Objective-C is Apple-only. No technical reason for either, but it seems strong in the open-source culture.

darklajid 15y ago
I don't get that. You say that C# provides a lot of nice features. Mono offers a C# compiler. ObjC is for Apple only, because - they more or less control the field and push it hard there - other implementations lack the ecosystem - other implementations are far behind Mono gained quite a lot of traction (F-Spot, Banshee, Tomboy) on Linux, so far that it even allowed to 'backport' former Linux-only apps to Windows and OS X. You get the nice features C# provides, even if you are not on Windows. And you can rely on the same framework. : Except when you don't: WPF is the biggest example, other areas might lag behind as well. But you _can_ write software for multiple systems _or_ focus on Mono (Gtk#, Mono.Posix/Mono.Unix) only to rapidly write software on Linux.
- phren0logy 15y ago
  I don't think I expressed myself very well. I'm saying that despite the nice features of C# that Mono brings to the table, it doesn't appear to have seen wide adoption. That's all. I didn't realize Tomboy was written in C#; that's great. I understand what Mono is, and that's why I'm confused that there don't seem to more (or at least, more visible) projects using it.
  - jimmyjazz14 15y ago
    You might check out http://www.mono-project.com/Software http://www.mono-project.com/Software and http://www.mono-project.com/Companies_Using_Mono http://www.mono-project.com/Companies_Using_Mono
- thedeuce 15y ago
  Objc is not for apple only....GCC & GNUStep!All run perfectly fine on other platforms. Just because it's not widely used....maybe that will change considering the possible growth of objc again as apple's market share widens. sheesh ;p
eropple 15y ago
A number of GNOME applications (including Banshee, Ubuntu's default music player) are written in C#.

joe_the_user 15y ago

I did not see giving up and using past tense terms to describe OpenOffice when Oracle bought Sun and things did not go the way the community wanted. The community simply routed around. What makes Mono different? I think the difference is that OpenOffice is done. It is more or less complete and usable right now (if arguably far from ideal). The Mono Project still many missing pieces (like tools for finding memory leaks or documentation). Compared to OpenOffice's, Mono's situation rides much more how much people expect that it will be maintained, adopted and get "traction" in the future. That said, I don't know enough to say if Mono is "dead" or not. Edit: I think this is also a quality of development frameworks as opposed to end-user applications. This is why developers were rightly concerned about the future when Nokia changed its development plans.

lukeschlather 15y ago

You're comparing platforms and applications as if they were the same thing. OpenOffice is a single application. No one is going to have any trouble using that code base. The correct comparison is to Java. Oracle is currently suing Google over Sun's patents on Java. And people are fleeing Java in droves. And the language around Mono's licensing of patents is pretty transparently designed to give Microsoft the option of suing people building on Mono.

rtaycher 15y ago
"And people are fleeing Java in droves. " -evidence needed.