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> So there are no true VPN apps in Big Sur at all? VPN work just fine for me. Some Apple apps mat bypass the VPN, but I don’t see a reason those apps would nee

by Aaargh20318 6y ago

> So there are no true VPN apps in Big Sur at all? VPN work just fine for me. Some Apple apps mat bypass the VPN, but I don’t see a reason those apps would need to connect to the company intranet in the first place.

pfortuny 6y ago
There is no guarantee that your vpn is doing what it claims it is doing... Because the kernel is not doing what you are telling it to do.
- Aaargh20318 6y ago
  If it didn't work, then I wouldn't be able to access services on the intranet, now would I ?
black_puppydog 6y ago
Yeah. Just trust apple. You don't want those things to go through your VPN. Nevermind that your VPN might have the purpose of bypassing shitty, insecure public wifi. Nevermind you may not be trusting your local/national internet infrastructure. Apple knows best. Trust them. /s
- Aaargh20318 6y ago
  > Nevermind that your VPN might have the purpose of bypassing shitty, insecure public wifi. > Nevermind you may not be trusting your local/national internet infrastructure. Routing traffic onto the public Internet through a 3rd party adds absolutely nothing to security. You shouldn’t trust the Internet in any case. If you use it to ‘bypass shitty security’ and then all you’re doing is trick yourself into a false sense of security. VPN services like that are complete and total bullshit.
  - detaro 6y ago
    You don't need to use a "bullshit" "VPN service" for that.
Hizonner 6y ago
Sure, it will work fine for (many) corporate drones. Who gives a damn about corporate drones? "Company intranets" are only one of many uses for VPNs... and a boring one at that.
- Aaargh20318 6y ago
  It’s what VPN’s are for. The purpose of a VPN is not to give you a false sense of security by routing traffic onto the public web through a 3rd party.
  - Hizonner 6y ago
    You're doubling down on your ignorance, arrogance, and lack of imagination. The major non-corporate-drone use of VPNs is to confuse the site you're communicating with about where you are, not to conceal the content of the traffic. There are many other uses, and more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
    - Aaargh20318 6y ago
      > The major non-corporate-drone use of VPNs is to confuse the site you're communicating with about where you are, not to conceal the content of the traffic. So basically to commit fraud when using streaming services. Can you think of a legitimate use case ?

pfortuny 6y ago

There is no guarantee that your vpn is doing what it claims it is doing... Because the kernel is not doing what you are telling it to do.

Aaargh20318 6y ago
If it didn't work, then I wouldn't be able to access services on the intranet, now would I ?

black_puppydog 6y ago

Yeah. Just trust apple. You don't want those things to go through your VPN. Nevermind that your VPN might have the purpose of bypassing shitty, insecure public wifi. Nevermind you may not be trusting your local/national internet infrastructure. Apple knows best. Trust them. /s

Aaargh20318 6y ago
> Nevermind that your VPN might have the purpose of bypassing shitty, insecure public wifi. > Nevermind you may not be trusting your local/national internet infrastructure. Routing traffic onto the public Internet through a 3rd party adds absolutely nothing to security. You shouldn’t trust the Internet in any case. If you use it to ‘bypass shitty security’ and then all you’re doing is trick yourself into a false sense of security. VPN services like that are complete and total bullshit.
- detaro 6y ago
  You don't need to use a "bullshit" "VPN service" for that.

Hizonner 6y ago

Sure, it will work fine for (many) corporate drones. Who gives a damn about corporate drones? "Company intranets" are only one of many uses for VPNs... and a boring one at that.

Aaargh20318 6y ago
It’s what VPN’s are for. The purpose of a VPN is not to give you a false sense of security by routing traffic onto the public web through a 3rd party.
- Hizonner 6y ago
  You're doubling down on your ignorance, arrogance, and lack of imagination. The major non-corporate-drone use of VPNs is to confuse the site you're communicating with about where you are, not to conceal the content of the traffic. There are many other uses, and more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
  - Aaargh20318 6y ago
    > The major non-corporate-drone use of VPNs is to confuse the site you're communicating with about where you are, not to conceal the content of the traffic. So basically to commit fraud when using streaming services. Can you think of a legitimate use case ?