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When the scientist create a GMO chicken and they get killed by the billions to feed us, no body bats an eye. Please, "new kind of soul" is a vast over statement

When the scientist create a GMO chicken and they get killed by the billions to feed us, no body bats an eye. Please, "new kind of soul" is a vast over statement. When horse breeders thousands of years ago artificially bred into existence new horses, no body cared, why is this any different?

Veedrac 6y ago
Certainly some people care a lot about factory farming. Even so, the key difference here is that brain function and intelligence are tied so tightly to the idea of human exceptionalism; that it is OK to enslave a horse but not a human, because humans have more capacity for autonomy, suffering, and so forth. How precisely to draw the line is very much a matter of disagreement.
- Talanes 6y ago
  Certain dog breeds were selected for intelligence, at what point does breeding a herding dog become an ethical dilemma?
- dogcomplex 6y ago
  It's all kinda not-okay, and kinda icky. But we certainly seem to put intelligence on a higher tier. If we ever make another sentient species, we should probably not enslave them. Pinky swear, guys?
- imtringued 6y ago
  >that it is OK to enslave a horse but not a human, because humans have more capacity for autonomy, suffering, and so forth. That's illogical. No, we enslave animals because we can. If animals were to coordinate and start a rebellion we would stop enslaving them and try to appease them through diplomatic means. Humans are known for their coordination and so monkeys with human intelligence and communication like humans would coordinate very well.
  - abellerose 6y ago
    I propose my assumption instead of your own. Humans would exterminate the animals that started to rebel and even if it's an entire species.
- yeetman21 6y ago
  monkey != human i want to return to monke as much as the next guy but i dont really see it happening in the near future
- YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
  Hey, Veedrac. You're probably bored with that by now, but I did reply to your last message- I just didn't see it in time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25063580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25063580
  - Veedrac 6y ago
    HN seems to hide replies once they get deep enough. I honestly think we've mostly exhausted that conversation, though.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
      Of course, I just didn't want you to think I've huffed off or something. Take care.

Veedrac 6y ago

Certainly some people care a lot about factory farming. Even so, the key difference here is that brain function and intelligence are tied so tightly to the idea of human exceptionalism; that it is OK to enslave a horse but not a human, because humans have more capacity for autonomy, suffering, and so forth. How precisely to draw the line is very much a matter of disagreement.

Talanes 6y ago
Certain dog breeds were selected for intelligence, at what point does breeding a herding dog become an ethical dilemma?
dogcomplex 6y ago
It's all kinda not-okay, and kinda icky. But we certainly seem to put intelligence on a higher tier. If we ever make another sentient species, we should probably not enslave them. Pinky swear, guys?
imtringued 6y ago
>that it is OK to enslave a horse but not a human, because humans have more capacity for autonomy, suffering, and so forth. That's illogical. No, we enslave animals because we can. If animals were to coordinate and start a rebellion we would stop enslaving them and try to appease them through diplomatic means. Humans are known for their coordination and so monkeys with human intelligence and communication like humans would coordinate very well.
- abellerose 6y ago
  I propose my assumption instead of your own. Humans would exterminate the animals that started to rebel and even if it's an entire species.
yeetman21 6y ago
monkey != human i want to return to monke as much as the next guy but i dont really see it happening in the near future
YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
Hey, Veedrac. You're probably bored with that by now, but I did reply to your last message- I just didn't see it in time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25063580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25063580
- Veedrac 6y ago
  HN seems to hide replies once they get deep enough. I honestly think we've mostly exhausted that conversation, though.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
    Of course, I just didn't want you to think I've huffed off or something. Take care.