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There's currently an issue with Docker and they weren't able to fix it because the dev machines they where sending out didn't have virtualization enabled so the

There's currently an issue with Docker and they weren't able to fix it because the dev machines they where sending out didn't have virtualization enabled so they couldn't work on it. This issue is regarding to starting docker. Once that's up, there will be an issue with prebuilt images if they don't provide an ARM build. As more machines get out there, this should start to fix itself. For Python and JS, I don't foresee an issue with the projects that would prevent this. It's then an issue of who manages the project and if they want to do it or someone else forking it and providing arm builds. Not a big issue IMO. It's a fairly easy thing to do. Anecdote, switching back to Linux, I've toyed with it recently and... it's not as frictionless (which sucks). I run a bit of Linux infrastructure and I'm on servers all the time. But on laptops, I don't know why, I kept having issues. I went in knowing I won't have the integration and whatnot, but I still had some issues. I ran it on extra, older, Apple hardware I have. Not sure if that might be why and newer or more compatible hardware would work better.

kinix 6y ago
RE docker: yeah I saw that, I've no doubt that they'll get a working build - I kind of suspect that how long it takes might be a good idea of how hard it is to get working :D RE docker images: yeah thankfully the big hitters (alpine etc) will be fine so should be ok here. I have less confidence in supporting libs though. RE linux: Argh, sounds like we're of similar backgrounds and this is my fear to be honest. I've heard good things about dell/lenovo hardware so I'd probs have to swing that way for the next refresh, but yeah i suspect it won't be as painful as I'd like.
- wiredfool 6y ago
  I'd be impressed if they could get a docker on the Mac working with not absolutely crappy volume mount performance.
e12e 6y ago
> Once that's up, there will be an issue with prebuilt images if they don't provide an ARM build. Does docker run on macos (amd64) now? I thought it ran in a Linux vm? If they get the vm to run, all images should work exactly the same as before (modulus any hit for amd64-on-arm vs amd64-on-amd64)?
- rovr138 6y ago
  They do. It uses a Linux environment for it. The issue is anything compiled or baked into the image using x86, won’t be able to run without yet another translation layer. Could end up being Mac arm > qemu emulating amd64 cpu > docker vm (Linux amd64) > whatever application Could be done, just adds another layer to translate things and overhead.

kinix 6y ago

RE docker: yeah I saw that, I've no doubt that they'll get a working build - I kind of suspect that how long it takes might be a good idea of how hard it is to get working :D RE docker images: yeah thankfully the big hitters (alpine etc) will be fine so should be ok here. I have less confidence in supporting libs though. RE linux: Argh, sounds like we're of similar backgrounds and this is my fear to be honest. I've heard good things about dell/lenovo hardware so I'd probs have to swing that way for the next refresh, but yeah i suspect it won't be as painful as I'd like.

wiredfool 6y ago
I'd be impressed if they could get a docker on the Mac working with not absolutely crappy volume mount performance.

e12e 6y ago

> Once that's up, there will be an issue with prebuilt images if they don't provide an ARM build. Does docker run on macos (amd64) now? I thought it ran in a Linux vm? If they get the vm to run, all images should work exactly the same as before (modulus any hit for amd64-on-arm vs amd64-on-amd64)?

rovr138 6y ago
They do. It uses a Linux environment for it. The issue is anything compiled or baked into the image using x86, won’t be able to run without yet another translation layer. Could end up being Mac arm > qemu emulating amd64 cpu > docker vm (Linux amd64) > whatever application Could be done, just adds another layer to translate things and overhead.