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There are things which Apple Macs excel at, and no other laptop even comes close. This is not me speaking in thin air, you can yourself notice that majority of

by kushan2020 6y ago

There are things which Apple Macs excel at, and no other laptop even comes close. This is not me speaking in thin air, you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs.

atmosx 6y ago
I agree and switching environments will hinder my productivity to an extend but watching the direction Apple is taking, makes me evaluating a switch to Linux in the next 2-3 years. Mind you, my family owns 5+ macs and another 7 Apple devices... If I switch they are all going to follow.
mixedCase 6y ago
Such as?
- hnarayanan 6y ago
  Literally everything. Like a good trackpad, build quality, stability, ...
  - znpy 6y ago
    It's easy to be stable when you can't run software
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - ksk 6y ago
    A lot of Apple fans say this, but I find many components in Apple products in general to be of average to poor build quality. Keyboards, display hinges, CPU/GPU cooling, weak display bezel/frames, weak outer-frames on their phones, laptop case creaking, etc. Heck they have yet to figure out how to design cables that don't fray. I'm sure there are some nice aspects to owning a mac too, otherwise nobody would purchase them. But I have yet to find anything that they've done w.r.t good build quality. I do admit they have a very good handle on making their products look pretty. So there's that..
    - m-p-3 6y ago
      Seriously, the bluetooth chipset in my MBP 2018 at work sucks balls. If I try to listen to music on my bluetooth headset as well as using a bluetooth mouse it stutters, and the mouse cursor is jittery. If I use the same mouse and headset on my Dell Precision 5520 I don't suffer from these issues.
  - mixedCase 6y ago
    > good trackpad Granted. Except it's useless from my perspective because: * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + mouse - is faster than- * a standard K&M stacked windows workflow - is mostly faster than- * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + any trackpad - is faster than - * the standard macOS experience with a trackpad It's an exercise in frustration whenever I have to get help from or help out a peer which uses a touchpad for everything (Mac user or otherwise, but more common in Mac users precisely because of its good trackpad) because it makes every operation slow as molasses. And if you care about a responsive desktop, the trackpad is mostly irrelevant because you'll be using a tiling setup which relies on a keyboard and simple mouse/trackpad usage. > build quality A computer that throttles at max frequency does not have good build quality. A computer with a keyboard that falls apart with specks of dust does not have good build quality. Macs have great screens and are slim, but they're far from the only ones with those qualities. > stability Except this is a meme. macOS stability is an absolute gamble like all other OSes, it will depend on your configuration macOS will behave or not, as is the case for both Windows and Linux. And macOS releases are known to be stability shitshows, Catalina being a big example and now Big Sur not being able to start applications because an Apple server is unresponsive.
    - cue_the_strings 6y ago
      Stability on macOS? Laughable. Macs are pretty popular among musicians and producers. When El Capitan dropped, pretty much all audio hardware and software stopped working. I remember that you couldn't use Native Instruments plugs and the majority of pro audio interfaces stopped working. This was fixed after a while, but it took at least half a year for everything to work again for 50% of users and a full year for everything to work for 90% of users. If you upgraded by accident and didn't have backups, you were in trouble. Even if you had backups, you could still have issues. Here's a link from back in the day: https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-musicians-producers-and-djs-should-avoid-updating-to-os-x-1011-el-capitan-today https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-mus... Now, did something similar ever happen on Linux or Windows? I can safely say that a lot of people lost some revenue because of that upgrade (there were also issues for video production software), at least until the word spread that you shouldn't upgrade.
znpy 6y ago
This is common apple fanatism bs. Except for a few very specific workloads and iDevices development, most things can be done on windows or Linux equally well. In the meantime, have fun with your dumbed down is where you can only run apple-approved things.
- JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago
  > windows Hey now, WRT the topic at hand Windows is no better [0] https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
- supermatt 6y ago
  I respectfully disagree. The entire desktop experience on macOS feels WAY more cohesive than windows (which I have used since early 90s), or any of the DE i have tried on linux/bsd (which i have used extensively for over 20 years). Additionally the quality of the hardware (specification/cost aside) far exceeds the alternatives. I HATE the way that apple are going. Their products are absolutely fantastic, but it is evident that the direction is to lock-down the "computer" as they have done their mobile ecosystem. I hope that legislation and regulation will tear their walled garden (and others!) apart. Then we can get back to bashing peoples OS for being not our own - rather than for being the authoritarian minefield they have become.
  - Craighead 6y ago
    Your comment is by definition subjective
- seanwilson 6y ago
  What video editing and UI/UX/illustration software would you recommend on Linux? I know I could use Inkscape over Sketch for example but I can't see how I would be as productive as the clone functionality isn't comparable to the symbols functionality of Sketch e.g. you can create a reusable web page header element that you can paste in multiple locations with the colours + text changed via simple parameters where the rest is kept in sync with the original. Is there something similar?
vangelis 6y ago
Surprisingly, running Docker is not one.
fsflover 6y ago
So you are going to fight against your own laptop which you paid for.
grayhatter 6y ago
Because people who create stuff use Macs, Macs are the only thing in existence that's functional?! You sure about that logic? Related, any one know of any brilliant engineers who deeply understand what they're using that use/love apple products?
- refried_ 6y ago
  Zing
m-p-3 6y ago
I'd say that because they sadly don't know better.
JohnHaugeland 6y ago
> you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs. No they don't. There are statistics. What you see in the Bay isn't common.
aprdm 6y ago
> you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs. In the USA/UK/Canada startup land maybe? I very much doubt that most developers use a Mac. For one it is extremely expensive in "non first world" countries.
- belval 6y ago
  On top of that, a lot of companies simply give you a Mac, you don't get a choice. I HATE my piece of crap MBP and would take a small pay cut to go back to Ubuntu/Arch. This kind of weird elitism is getting very old.
Harvey-Specter 6y ago
Stack Overflow's annual developer survey the most used operating system was Windows with 45.8% of respondents, and MacOS and Linux split the rest pretty evenly. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de...

atmosx 6y ago

I agree and switching environments will hinder my productivity to an extend but watching the direction Apple is taking, makes me evaluating a switch to Linux in the next 2-3 years. Mind you, my family owns 5+ macs and another 7 Apple devices... If I switch they are all going to follow.

mixedCase 6y ago

Such as?

hnarayanan 6y ago
Literally everything. Like a good trackpad, build quality, stability, ...
- znpy 6y ago
  It's easy to be stable when you can't run software
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- ksk 6y ago
  A lot of Apple fans say this, but I find many components in Apple products in general to be of average to poor build quality. Keyboards, display hinges, CPU/GPU cooling, weak display bezel/frames, weak outer-frames on their phones, laptop case creaking, etc. Heck they have yet to figure out how to design cables that don't fray. I'm sure there are some nice aspects to owning a mac too, otherwise nobody would purchase them. But I have yet to find anything that they've done w.r.t good build quality. I do admit they have a very good handle on making their products look pretty. So there's that..
  - m-p-3 6y ago
    Seriously, the bluetooth chipset in my MBP 2018 at work sucks balls. If I try to listen to music on my bluetooth headset as well as using a bluetooth mouse it stutters, and the mouse cursor is jittery. If I use the same mouse and headset on my Dell Precision 5520 I don't suffer from these issues.
- mixedCase 6y ago
  > good trackpad Granted. Except it's useless from my perspective because: * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + mouse - is faster than- * a standard K&M stacked windows workflow - is mostly faster than- * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + any trackpad - is faster than - * the standard macOS experience with a trackpad It's an exercise in frustration whenever I have to get help from or help out a peer which uses a touchpad for everything (Mac user or otherwise, but more common in Mac users precisely because of its good trackpad) because it makes every operation slow as molasses. And if you care about a responsive desktop, the trackpad is mostly irrelevant because you'll be using a tiling setup which relies on a keyboard and simple mouse/trackpad usage. > build quality A computer that throttles at max frequency does not have good build quality. A computer with a keyboard that falls apart with specks of dust does not have good build quality. Macs have great screens and are slim, but they're far from the only ones with those qualities. > stability Except this is a meme. macOS stability is an absolute gamble like all other OSes, it will depend on your configuration macOS will behave or not, as is the case for both Windows and Linux. And macOS releases are known to be stability shitshows, Catalina being a big example and now Big Sur not being able to start applications because an Apple server is unresponsive.
  - cue_the_strings 6y ago
    Stability on macOS? Laughable. Macs are pretty popular among musicians and producers. When El Capitan dropped, pretty much all audio hardware and software stopped working. I remember that you couldn't use Native Instruments plugs and the majority of pro audio interfaces stopped working. This was fixed after a while, but it took at least half a year for everything to work again for 50% of users and a full year for everything to work for 90% of users. If you upgraded by accident and didn't have backups, you were in trouble. Even if you had backups, you could still have issues. Here's a link from back in the day: https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-musicians-producers-and-djs-should-avoid-updating-to-os-x-1011-el-capitan-today https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-mus... Now, did something similar ever happen on Linux or Windows? I can safely say that a lot of people lost some revenue because of that upgrade (there were also issues for video production software), at least until the word spread that you shouldn't upgrade.

znpy 6y ago

This is common apple fanatism bs. Except for a few very specific workloads and iDevices development, most things can be done on windows or Linux equally well. In the meantime, have fun with your dumbed down is where you can only run apple-approved things.

JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago
> windows Hey now, WRT the topic at hand Windows is no better [0] https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
supermatt 6y ago
I respectfully disagree. The entire desktop experience on macOS feels WAY more cohesive than windows (which I have used since early 90s), or any of the DE i have tried on linux/bsd (which i have used extensively for over 20 years). Additionally the quality of the hardware (specification/cost aside) far exceeds the alternatives. I HATE the way that apple are going. Their products are absolutely fantastic, but it is evident that the direction is to lock-down the "computer" as they have done their mobile ecosystem. I hope that legislation and regulation will tear their walled garden (and others!) apart. Then we can get back to bashing peoples OS for being not our own - rather than for being the authoritarian minefield they have become.
- Craighead 6y ago
  Your comment is by definition subjective
seanwilson 6y ago
What video editing and UI/UX/illustration software would you recommend on Linux? I know I could use Inkscape over Sketch for example but I can't see how I would be as productive as the clone functionality isn't comparable to the symbols functionality of Sketch e.g. you can create a reusable web page header element that you can paste in multiple locations with the colours + text changed via simple parameters where the rest is kept in sync with the original. Is there something similar?

vangelis 6y ago

Surprisingly, running Docker is not one.

fsflover 6y ago

So you are going to fight against your own laptop which you paid for.

grayhatter 6y ago

Because people who create stuff use Macs, Macs are the only thing in existence that's functional?! You sure about that logic? Related, any one know of any brilliant engineers who deeply understand what they're using that use/love apple products?

refried_ 6y ago
Zing

m-p-3 6y ago

I'd say that because they sadly don't know better.

JohnHaugeland 6y ago

> you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs. No they don't. There are statistics. What you see in the Bay isn't common.

aprdm 6y ago

> you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs. In the USA/UK/Canada startup land maybe? I very much doubt that most developers use a Mac. For one it is extremely expensive in "non first world" countries.

belval 6y ago
On top of that, a lot of companies simply give you a Mac, you don't get a choice. I HATE my piece of crap MBP and would take a small pay cut to go back to Ubuntu/Arch. This kind of weird elitism is getting very old.

Harvey-Specter 6y ago

Stack Overflow's annual developer survey the most used operating system was Windows with 45.8% of respondents, and MacOS and Linux split the rest pretty evenly. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-de...