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Absolutely! For me it feels as if Mac OS repeats the errors of MS Windows Vista and 10. For instance, the horrible telemetry as well as the suboptimal "one inte
by ktpsns 6y ago
Absolutely! For me it feels as if Mac OS repeats the errors of MS Windows Vista and 10. For instance, the horrible telemetry as well as the suboptimal "one interface for touch and mouse pointer" paradigm.
- LeoPanthera 6y agoCan you expand on "horrible telemetry" please? And since no Macs have a touch screen, I'm not sure what you mean by the "one interface" thing. Big Sur may resemble iOS but it is not the same interface at all.
- tannedNerd 6y agoI think the thought is since the tap targets all got so much bigger for Big Sur it no longer feels like an OS designed for a pointer, more one designed for a finger.
- kllrnohj 6y ago> Can you expand on "horrible telemetry" please? Phoning home on every executable launch. Both because it's bad for privacy, and because the implementation of it is absolutely horrific such that when Apple's servers went down it basically locked up everyones computers at the same time. It's on the front page still, even: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959
- my123 6y agoIs it even really telemetry as we'd consider it? It's OCSP digital signature verification... to check if an app signature wasn't revoked. (or a website cert, or anything really)
- kllrnohj 6y agoIt sends a hash of every executable you launch to Apple, how would that not be considered telemetry?
- jjoonathan 6y agoWhen installing Windows, I had to unplug the ethernet during a particular setup screen to avoid having every login checked against my cloud account. It put Candy Crush and Farmville ads in my start menu without consent. I remember having to spend effort to get Cortana to go away and (maybe) not send my searches to the cloud. In MacOS, we've recently seen: pushy siri, sending search results to the cloud, and yesterday the OCSP failure made it obvious they were sending logs of every app launch to the cloud :/ . It's the same direction, even if they aren't yet quite as lost as Microsoft.
- threeseed 6y agoYou opted in to enabling Siri and they are simply validating the signatures on the apps.
- Rebelgecko 6y agoI don't think I ever opted in to Siri. How can I turn it off? I've disabled it from the menu bar but it's still on the touchbar, just waiting for me to slightly miss the delete key
- my123 6y agoSystem Preferences -> Siri and then disable the Ask Siri checkbox in the left.
- Rebelgecko 6y agoAlas, that didnt remove it from the touchbar
- my123 6y agoSystem Preferences -> Keyboard -> Personalize Control Strip
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- cosmotic 6y agoBig Sur incorporates apps from iOS using Catalyst. iOS devices all have touch screens.
- john_alan 6y agoThey (Craig F) stated that’s not what they are doing. They aren’t merging paradigms. They are bringing the best bits of iOS to macOS
- systemvoltage 6y agoUI changes in MacOS Big Sur are totally uncalled for. They’re designed for touch displays.
- threeseed 6y agoIt’s designed to unify the Mac and iOS experiences. Why ? Because once everyone starts using iOS apps on their Mac eg. Netflix, Outlook Mac-only apps will slowly disappear. Hence you will need a look and feel that works on touch.
- nkozyra 6y agoDo people really see this happening? It's been one of those big promises for nearly a decade and we're really nowhere near closer to it. You can run android apps on chrome(/chromium) and other than for novelty I don't know anyone who does so.
- threeseed 6y agoHow are we nowhere close when you can run iOS apps today on M1 ?
- nkozyra 6y agoThe promise that people use mobile apps in lieu of desktop apps, not that it's technically possible. As I mentioned, chrome and chromium have enabled this for android for awhile now.
- canofbars 6y agoThe Android tablet scene is almost non existent. With the ipad pro and magic keyboard you could realistically use an ipad as a laptop if the software you needed was on it. I imagine that eventually devs will target pro software for the ipad and have it come to macos for free.
- threeseed 6y agoNot sure what you mean by telemetry. Apple asks you every time you upgrade OSX whether you want to send anonymous data to Apple and third parties. You just need to click no.
- gumby 6y agoThey also check app signatures for revocation at first launch (and maybe other times). By the standards of modern disk and network, couldn't they download revocation caches the way they do with malware?
- spullara 6y agoThey are checking the certificate. Not app signatures.
- cosmotic 6y agoThe certificate can be (and is) hashed.
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- acoard 6y ago>By the standards of modern disk and network, couldn't they download revocation caches the way they do with malware? The whole point is to check if a cert has been revoked. If you have an out of date cache, you'll falsely approve a cert that should be revoked. I'm not defending the system as a whole, but if you care about revoking authentication – which they clearly do – then a cache directly undermines that goal. A malware hash doesn't get revoked, new ones just get added.
- Dylan16807 6y agoSo update it every hour. Or every time it feels the need to check a program, instead of asking about that program, it could ask for all revocations from the last day.
- k2enemy 6y agoDon't forget the incessant nagging and notifications. That was what drove me to MacOS back in the days of 10.3.
- mikechen233 6y agoI feel the Mac os ui is still a lot better than both win32 ui and the new "modern" ui in uwp apps. Mac os ui is functional, easy to use, enough information density. And the animation, styling and graphics that looks great on a high dpi screen. And there is cohesive design and animation on the system and the apps. Apple's design is both beautiful, fluid to use and functional. While microsoft's design? It's still non existent. Even app design is just... Like teams ui is clunky to use, has huge title and side bars, low information density. Win32 ui just looks 90s, and some looks broken on high dpi screens. While microsoft's new ui is just broken for the desktop use. Text size is different between uwp apps like mail, and win32 apps like word. They are even from the same company and same product team. I don't think ever mac will be touch based. They share design style with ios. But it's going to be optimized for mouse and keyboard. And I love how you can search for commands in a app on the Mac in the help menu. It allow you to access app features all by typing what you want. You can use gui like a cmd.