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This is why Trump is a genius. The step 0 should be: never ever admin the mistake. Since you will look bad even if you admit the mistake: it makes no differenc

by tlogan 6y ago

This is why Trump is a genius. The step 0 should be: never ever admin the mistake. Since you will look bad even if you admit the mistake: it makes no difference.

mhh__ 6y ago
Genius or psychopath? I'm sure a lot more people would be successful with absolute zero morals - e.g. Hazing your young son for trusting you, as told by Trump Jr
wizzwizz4 6y ago
You will look bad even if you admit the mistake. But admitting to a mistake is good – assuming people already know about the mistake, it's good press to do so. (Especially if you're revealing the mistake to them, when they haven't already seen the mistake; if half of your mistakes are “oh, I messed up”, versus the same number of mistakes but they come out in newspapers first… which is going to look better for you?
- tlogan 6y ago
  > > But admitting to a mistake is good > Yes - if that is what you care about. But from what I see not so many people in the world care about "good". They just "want more". For example, when a customer reports a problem, and I admit that there is a bug and explain a workaround some of them will say: "you have buggy software, bla bla I will use Google". But if you say: "Strange. This might some very strange setup issue - here is the workaround" - no problem. Of course, some of our customers love honesty but the vertical I'm working in, honesty is not a thing. Depressing... I know.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    That's because you can successfully deceive people as to whether you made a mistake.
Supermancho 6y ago
Not sure why this is downvoted when its apropos. ^Trumps behavior is an effective counter example to the evolved list of rules, wikipedia puts forth as good autocratic process...insofar as wikipedia is more autocratic than communal by contribution. ^Obviously trump is not a genious
- aflag 6y ago
  He was first elected with a minority and lost the reelection (which is uncommon in USA's history). Quoting the article: > But isn't it true that organization/individual X made a mistake and didn't follow this process at all? > Yes, it's true. And how did that work out?
  - Supermancho 6y ago
    It worked out fine, imo. The wikipedia page isnt about a popularity contest, per se but I can follow that parallel line of thinking. Trumps behavior hasnt changed before he was elected or after the last election. As PotUS Trumps behavior was a bit less popular than another choice (not a relative landslide like 1984, 1972, 1964, etc). Granted, the political money machines have a lot to do with spinning the viewpoint of Americans, so it is possible that the election was not a good representative model. I dont think the 2020 is a compelling single indicator of policy effectiveness on either side.
    - aflag 6y ago
      Regardless of popularity, his strategy of denying his mistakes got him as far as the white house, which I'd say is pretty far, but probably cost him the reelection. Handling your mistakes poorly is not the end, but it does weigh you down more than otherwise. There are better strategies. That's the point.

by tlogan 6y ago

This is why Trump is a genius. The step 0 should be: never ever admin the mistake. Since you will look bad even if you admit the mistake: it makes no difference.

mhh__ 6y ago

Genius or psychopath? I'm sure a lot more people would be successful with absolute zero morals - e.g. Hazing your young son for trusting you, as told by Trump Jr

wizzwizz4 6y ago

You will look bad even if you admit the mistake. But admitting to a mistake is good – assuming people already know about the mistake, it's good press to do so. (Especially if you're revealing the mistake to them, when they haven't already seen the mistake; if half of your mistakes are “oh, I messed up”, versus the same number of mistakes but they come out in newspapers first… which is going to look better for you?

tlogan 6y ago
> > But admitting to a mistake is good > Yes - if that is what you care about. But from what I see not so many people in the world care about "good". They just "want more". For example, when a customer reports a problem, and I admit that there is a bug and explain a workaround some of them will say: "you have buggy software, bla bla I will use Google". But if you say: "Strange. This might some very strange setup issue - here is the workaround" - no problem. Of course, some of our customers love honesty but the vertical I'm working in, honesty is not a thing. Depressing... I know.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  That's because you can successfully deceive people as to whether you made a mistake.

Supermancho 6y ago

Not sure why this is downvoted when its apropos. ^Trumps behavior is an effective counter example to the evolved list of rules, wikipedia puts forth as good autocratic process...insofar as wikipedia is more autocratic than communal by contribution. ^Obviously trump is not a genious

aflag 6y ago
He was first elected with a minority and lost the reelection (which is uncommon in USA's history). Quoting the article: > But isn't it true that organization/individual X made a mistake and didn't follow this process at all? > Yes, it's true. And how did that work out?
- Supermancho 6y ago
  It worked out fine, imo. The wikipedia page isnt about a popularity contest, per se but I can follow that parallel line of thinking. Trumps behavior hasnt changed before he was elected or after the last election. As PotUS Trumps behavior was a bit less popular than another choice (not a relative landslide like 1984, 1972, 1964, etc). Granted, the political money machines have a lot to do with spinning the viewpoint of Americans, so it is possible that the election was not a good representative model. I dont think the 2020 is a compelling single indicator of policy effectiveness on either side.
  - aflag 6y ago
    Regardless of popularity, his strategy of denying his mistakes got him as far as the white house, which I'd say is pretty far, but probably cost him the reelection. Handling your mistakes poorly is not the end, but it does weigh you down more than otherwise. There are better strategies. That's the point.