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"In California, one of the world’s wealthiest economies, I should be able to afford rent and pay my bills as a driver. I shouldn’t be forced to scour for public
by googthrowaway42 6y ago
"In California, one of the world’s wealthiest economies, I should be able to afford rent and pay my bills as a driver. I shouldn’t be forced to scour for public bathrooms or work 70-hour weeks to do this job. But that’s what these companies have forced upon us."
"Uber may have bought itself a law, but it has not bought itself reprieve. All labor has dignity, and driving for Uber or Lyft should be no different."
Cherri Murphy is a social justice minister and Lyft driver based in Oakland, California. She is also an organizer with Gig Workers Rising.
Oh ok, that makes sense.
- deweller 6y agoWhat is a "social justice minister"?
- qorrect 6y agoA Philosophy major.
- eplanit 6y agoMore like ethnic and gender studies, probably.
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- barry-cotter 6y agoThe kind of Christian minister that cares more about, and talks more about social justice than they do about Christ.
- maxehmookau 6y agoYou're right, Jesus didn't give a damn about social justice. Christianity and the need for justice and equality are completely separate. /s
- methodsignature 6y agoF the poor, aye? Gotchu fam. Jesus would be proud.
- Minor49er 6y ago"Social justice" and "justice" aren't the same thing. Jesus cared about the latter.
- maxehmookau 6y ago...and he didn't care about the former? Seriously?
- Minor49er 6y agoNo. He wasn't a political actor. He was concerned with God's law and not the law of man. Not to mention that social justice as a concept came long after Jesus's time.
- maxehmookau 6y agoEverything is political. Social justice existed LONG before Jesus' time, it just didn't have a specific name.
- Minor49er 6y agoBiblical societies had overt caste and class systems. Social justice tries to flatten anything resembling these. You mentioned that you think Jesus was an advocate of social justice but didn't explain why. Maybe our understanding of social justice is different from one another's.
- barry-cotter 6y agoJesus was the son of God, come to bring the Kingdom of Heaven. He was not an activist. Attempting to elide the difference between the idea of justice and an ideology that’s maybe old enough to vote will not erase that distinction.
- vangelis 6y agoAs Jesus said, "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a poor man enter Heaven."
- yepthatsreality 6y agoBranding.
- maxehmookau 6y agoI'm detecting quite a lot of judgement in your comment. You've attacked the person rather than the argument. Do you disagree that a job should mean that someone is able to afford rent and pay your bills? Because that sounds entirely reasonable to me.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago> I'm detecting quite a lot of judgement in your comment. Yes you have correctly detected that.
- maxehmookau 6y agoSo because of your bias against a particular... job title? That discounts her entire argument?
- googthrowaway42 6y agoThe argument discounts itself. Her bio explains why she would make such an argument.
- bryanrasmussen 6y agoThis sounds like some sort of novel logical error, sort of like attacking the man rather than the argument but instead the idea seems to be: arguments that emit from sources you would expect to be making such arguments are automatically discounted. This leads to the conclusion that only arguments from unexpected sources are to be trusted - thus criminals who argue that crime is bad and snitches should get riches are to be trusted, but cops who say that crime is bad are not to be trusted on that matter. I mean, it's a funny kind of idea to hold.
- maxehmookau 6y ago> The argument discounts itself. It quite simply doesn't, and if you truly believe it does I'd genuinely love to understand why you think that.
- airza 6y agoMaybe she has such a profound ideological bent because she has to persist in the absolutely mangled society that we've created :)
- _dark_matter_ 6y agoSorry, can you explain? Why do you think that makes sense? If you're going to say "because this is the kind of thing a social justice minister would write", consider that: 1. You may have cause and effect wrong. The conditions this person lived through, especially as a gig worker, may have moved them to be a social justice minister; not the other way around. 2. You are not judging the article from the quality of the writing or the persuasiveness of the arguments, but instead by the background of the writer. Certainly it's important to note that this article is written from the experience of a _gig worker_, but IMO that only adds to the persuasiveness.
- googthrowaway42 6y agoRight now all you're doing is engaging in virtue signaling. How about you go off and split your Mozilla salary with this woman and then once you provide proof of this then we can have an honest discussion. Just to be clear, nothing at all is stopping you from doing this. You wouldn't be so awful as to claim that your labor is more valuable than this woman's, would you?
- dang 6y agoWe've banned this account for repeatedly and egregiously breaking HN's guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with. We're trying for curious conversation here, not bashing each other with two by fours. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- _dark_matter_ 6y agoThanks Dan. I appreciate you trying to keep the conversation sane.
- randompwd 6y agoBackground should have 100% been included in article to frame it. This is a piece by someone who only puts forward that they are Uber drive. The explicit omission of her other current work roles wasn't by accident. Propaganda comes from both sides of an issue. Does the article mention how long she has been a gig worker for? Because her bio would suggest she has potentially multiple income streams and also has had full time positions which I'm sure have equivalents in the area she resides in now. The bio at https://www.netrootsnation.org/profile/cherri-murphy/ https://www.netrootsnation.org/profile/cherri-murphy/ just mentions: > Minister Cherri Murphy is currently the Founder of Speak Life Ministries and a Doctoral student at the Graduate Theological Union/Berkeley Theology in Berkeley. Her focus is on liturgical direct actions, specifically how participants combine public worship, art and ritual protests to intimately engage and invoke social change for those who have historically been de-centered. She is also a member and a licensed Spiritual Practitioner at Heart and Soul Center of Light, in Oakland California.
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