5 ms·

> this could be a good time to jump the apple ship. it's pretty clear their focus is not their power users' focus. Their focus is not on power users ? They jus

by Aaargh20318 6y ago

> this could be a good time to jump the apple ship. it's pretty clear their focus is not their power users' focus. Their focus is not on power users ? They just completed the first, small, step of the migration to ARM. They only updated the very low-end models, those who were never targeted at power users anyway, and we're seeing that their cheapest, lowest-end models are whooping the i9 MBPro's ass. Sure, the features and RAM may not be there yet, but again, these are the low-end models. If we're seeing this level of performance out of an MBAir or Mini. I can't wait to see what the Mac Pro is going to be capable of.

aeyes 6y ago
They also updated the MacBook Pro so that is exactly the performance you are going to get for this generation. The big screen model might give you more cores and RAM but IPC is going to be exactly the same.
- ralfd 6y ago
  The 13" MBP was never a pro "pro" model. I bet the big screen models next year will have more RAM and maybe an M2 chip. > but IPC is going to be exactly the same. I am not sure what you mean with this?
  - aeyes 6y ago
    Its the same chip so single core performance is going to be the same, unless they raise the clock.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      Why don’t you think the M2 will increase clock speed? And the problem with the M1 isn’t performance, single core is already off the charts. The M2 is going to provide 32Gb and 64Gb systems with up to four thunderbolt/USB4 ports and support for dual 6K monitors.
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        I doubt that the M1 or M2 is going to have superior single core performance to the upcoming Zen4/5nm laptop chips. Let alone multicore performance. Apple's core are also far behind in IO, 64GB of RAM and 4x Thunderbolt is less than what current gen laptop chips can do.
        valuearb 6y ago
        I agree that Zen4 should be comparable, but it also will cost 4X to make, and more to implement since it doesn’t include RAM. The M1 is a system on a chip, with all the benefits and drawbacks of that including RAM and port limits. The next releases will likely be A) a tweaked M1 for higher end PowerBooks with more RAM and ports and B) a desktop version with plenty of ports, significantly higher clock speeds, and off chip RAM. I think there will always be faster CPUs out there, but not remotely near the M series in power per watt, and cost per power.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        Zen is also an SoC, but with off-chip memory, this brings other advantages. Most importantly, Zen 4 is a chiplet design, so for the same amount of cores it will be cheaper to make than the M1 chip. As for performance per watt, Renoir in low power configurations matches the A12. I would really doubt that a laptop Zen 4 on 5nm LPP wouldn't pass the M1/M2 in both performance and performance per watt, because Renoir is on 7nm with an older uArch and gets close.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  They updated the lesser 13" Pro, but not the high-end 13" Pro (since 2016, it's been separated into two lines, with the high end one distinguished by higher TDP, four thunderbolt ports, and more fans) or the 16". IPC will be the same, sure, but I'd expect the higher end 13" and the 16" will have more cores or higher clock speed or both, to soak up the extra TDP headroom.

aeyes 6y ago

They also updated the MacBook Pro so that is exactly the performance you are going to get for this generation. The big screen model might give you more cores and RAM but IPC is going to be exactly the same.

ralfd 6y ago
The 13" MBP was never a pro "pro" model. I bet the big screen models next year will have more RAM and maybe an M2 chip. > but IPC is going to be exactly the same. I am not sure what you mean with this?
- aeyes 6y ago
  Its the same chip so single core performance is going to be the same, unless they raise the clock.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Why don’t you think the M2 will increase clock speed? And the problem with the M1 isn’t performance, single core is already off the charts. The M2 is going to provide 32Gb and 64Gb systems with up to four thunderbolt/USB4 ports and support for dual 6K monitors.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      I doubt that the M1 or M2 is going to have superior single core performance to the upcoming Zen4/5nm laptop chips. Let alone multicore performance. Apple's core are also far behind in IO, 64GB of RAM and 4x Thunderbolt is less than what current gen laptop chips can do.
      - valuearb 6y ago
        I agree that Zen4 should be comparable, but it also will cost 4X to make, and more to implement since it doesn’t include RAM. The M1 is a system on a chip, with all the benefits and drawbacks of that including RAM and port limits. The next releases will likely be A) a tweaked M1 for higher end PowerBooks with more RAM and ports and B) a desktop version with plenty of ports, significantly higher clock speeds, and off chip RAM. I think there will always be faster CPUs out there, but not remotely near the M series in power per watt, and cost per power.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        Zen is also an SoC, but with off-chip memory, this brings other advantages. Most importantly, Zen 4 is a chiplet design, so for the same amount of cores it will be cheaper to make than the M1 chip. As for performance per watt, Renoir in low power configurations matches the A12. I would really doubt that a laptop Zen 4 on 5nm LPP wouldn't pass the M1/M2 in both performance and performance per watt, because Renoir is on 7nm with an older uArch and gets close.
rsynnott 6y ago
They updated the lesser 13" Pro, but not the high-end 13" Pro (since 2016, it's been separated into two lines, with the high end one distinguished by higher TDP, four thunderbolt ports, and more fans) or the 16". IPC will be the same, sure, but I'd expect the higher end 13" and the 16" will have more cores or higher clock speed or both, to soak up the extra TDP headroom.