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Most of the time it's because the license has expired and the licensee doesn't think its worthwhile to renew. That doesn't mean no one cares about it; it means

Most of the time it's because the license has expired and the licensee doesn't think its worthwhile to renew. That doesn't mean no one cares about it; it means that the licensee doesn't see profit in renewing it. They know that most users will keep their subscription active despite the lost content.

mrtksn 6y ago
Which is exactly the same as no one cares as it's cultural prime-time passes. There's not much money in serving the stuff that no one wants anymore, thus no profit, which leads to license termination.
- dleslie 6y ago
  That's absurd. How it arrives at a point of inaccessibility informs the culture: a book long out of print has a different impact than a banned book.
  - mrtksn 6y ago
    It's not banned, simply it's out of stock. The same as not being able to find Nirvana CD's because kids moved on listening to Eminem on Winamp by downloading mp3 on eMule. And "It really whips the Llama's ass" means nothing to the kids these days.
    - dleslie 6y ago
      It's not just out of stock, it's unavailable. I can buy long out of print books from a used book store; I cannot buy delisted and vaulted digital content. Nirvana CDs are trivial to find; hell, if you're looking for virtually any music older than ten years it's going to be on physical media; but most of it isn't digitized. And the new stuff? Bandcamp is great, and I get to keep the mp3s.
      - mrtksn 6y ago
        The few who care will make a copy, you can make your own copy or take it from those who do. No DRM is stopping you from taking pictures or make recordings. Even if ıt was the case that vanishes from the surface of earth, it's not that different from last physical copy getting scratched.
        dleslie 6y ago
        Of course it's different; the path to unavailability describes the society that made it unavailable.
        mrtksn 6y ago
        Not at all, CD's also vanish exactly the same way. At some point it is no longer profitable to print those, no longer profitable to keep those in the shelves, no longer profitable to have them in the storage and they vanish. Those who have them begin using them as frisbees, decoration or simply trash them.
        dleslie 6y ago
        The CDs weren't ripped from active listener's libraries and made unavailable by an uncaring corporation; they deteriorated with time and use. When I bought that Nirvana CD I bought it for life, and no one has the right to revoke my ability to listen to it. There is a difference.
- matkoniecz 6y ago
  "cultural prime-time passes" is not the same as "no one cares about it anymore" 99% of my music never was in a cultural prime-time
  - mrtksn 6y ago
    Cultural prime-time doesn't mean beach music top list. There are many subcultures and they have their own prime-time music that people outside of that group never heard of. And people who happen to enjoy music that was truly never prime-time should thank the parents of the musicians who sponsored the free music creation. It wasn't tech or platforms that enabled it, it was VC/Angel investor money and will vanish as soon as the money dries out.
    - matkoniecz 6y ago
      "It wasn't tech or platforms that enabled it, it was VC/Angel investor money" For plenty of music that I listed to neither was in play (for example https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piosenka_turystyczna https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piosenka_turystyczna )

mrtksn 6y ago

Which is exactly the same as no one cares as it's cultural prime-time passes. There's not much money in serving the stuff that no one wants anymore, thus no profit, which leads to license termination.

dleslie 6y ago
That's absurd. How it arrives at a point of inaccessibility informs the culture: a book long out of print has a different impact than a banned book.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  It's not banned, simply it's out of stock. The same as not being able to find Nirvana CD's because kids moved on listening to Eminem on Winamp by downloading mp3 on eMule. And "It really whips the Llama's ass" means nothing to the kids these days.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    It's not just out of stock, it's unavailable. I can buy long out of print books from a used book store; I cannot buy delisted and vaulted digital content. Nirvana CDs are trivial to find; hell, if you're looking for virtually any music older than ten years it's going to be on physical media; but most of it isn't digitized. And the new stuff? Bandcamp is great, and I get to keep the mp3s.
    - mrtksn 6y ago
      The few who care will make a copy, you can make your own copy or take it from those who do. No DRM is stopping you from taking pictures or make recordings. Even if ıt was the case that vanishes from the surface of earth, it's not that different from last physical copy getting scratched.
      - dleslie 6y ago
        Of course it's different; the path to unavailability describes the society that made it unavailable.
        mrtksn 6y ago
        Not at all, CD's also vanish exactly the same way. At some point it is no longer profitable to print those, no longer profitable to keep those in the shelves, no longer profitable to have them in the storage and they vanish. Those who have them begin using them as frisbees, decoration or simply trash them.
        dleslie 6y ago
        The CDs weren't ripped from active listener's libraries and made unavailable by an uncaring corporation; they deteriorated with time and use. When I bought that Nirvana CD I bought it for life, and no one has the right to revoke my ability to listen to it. There is a difference.
matkoniecz 6y ago
"cultural prime-time passes" is not the same as "no one cares about it anymore" 99% of my music never was in a cultural prime-time
- mrtksn 6y ago
  Cultural prime-time doesn't mean beach music top list. There are many subcultures and they have their own prime-time music that people outside of that group never heard of. And people who happen to enjoy music that was truly never prime-time should thank the parents of the musicians who sponsored the free music creation. It wasn't tech or platforms that enabled it, it was VC/Angel investor money and will vanish as soon as the money dries out.
  - matkoniecz 6y ago
    "It wasn't tech or platforms that enabled it, it was VC/Angel investor money" For plenty of music that I listed to neither was in play (for example https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piosenka_turystyczna https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piosenka_turystyczna )