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So if someone gives you a free beer for a the foreseeable future they also owe you free beer for life? What kind of entitlement is this?!

rmah 6y ago
There is a certain segment of the population that believes exactly that. And they tend to get offended when you point out that it's unreasonable.
usrusr 6y ago
What if he only stops giving you free beer after all other breweries have closed shop?
- virgilp 6y ago
  But there are plenty of other breweries! Adobe hasn't closed shop, neither has Microsoft (OneDrive), Dropbox, iDrive, pCloud, or for that matter SmugMug, Flickr etc.
TheCoelacanth 6y ago
If they are trying to drive competitors out of business to form an illegal monopoly, then yes.
nomad543 6y ago
If someone gives people free beer while driving out competitors or preventing potential competitors form starting a business, then it's dumping. No company should be entitled to decimate competition using dirty strategies.
- andromeduck 6y ago
  1. Loss leading is not dumping. 2. Plenty of competitors in the storage space are still thriving including Dropbox, Box, Microsoft OneDrive, Backblaze, Amazon Drive, Apple iCloud, etc. 3. There's even more more competition on the photo sharing side of things like Instagram, Flickr, SmugMug, 500px, imgur, imageshack, Facebook, 1x, photoblog, etc. 4. Photos isn't even the largest service nor Google the most influential player in either sector.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    Loss-leading to dissuade, discourage, weaken, or preempt market-based rivals is precisely dumping. https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/history-anti-dumping-countervailing-duties/ https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/history-anti-dumping-c... Or more properly, predatory pricing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing
    - andromeduck 6y ago
      Read your own links please and FYI Google Drive/Storage was far from the first to offer free storage, not by a long shot. Dropbox and Microsoft were offering of free storage years before Google even launched Drive. Free hosting in the photo sharing space predates Photos/Picasa by literally decades and even in their specific form they were never without major competitors from the likes of FB/MS/Flickr/Photobucket/IG etc.
      - dredmorbius 6y ago
        Irrelevant.
  - romwell 6y ago
    Yeah, and which of those services you mentioned directly integrate with the camera and gallery app that ships with every other phone? Most pictures taken today are probably taken with an Android camera. Google is, indeed, the most influential player in that sector.
    - kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
      Apple iCloud
Dylan16807 6y ago
It's not entitlement to say that, if it would end like this, they never should have been giving away such vast amounts of free beer in the first place. That's asking for less free stuff in the interest of preserving healthy competition in the long term.
levosmetalo 6y ago
If you have an agreement with someone to give you a free beer for life, in exchange for your personal data, they should be allowed to back up? After already extracting all value for your data? What kind of entitlement is this?
- virgilp 6y ago
  It was not a "free beer for life", but "free beer in exchange for personal data". They stop providing the beer, you stop providing the data (new photos). Seems fairly reasonable. Turn it the other way around... would you find it reasonable to be obliged to continue to share your data for as long as they provide you with free beer? Or can you withdraw from the agreement?

rmah 6y ago

There is a certain segment of the population that believes exactly that. And they tend to get offended when you point out that it's unreasonable.

usrusr 6y ago

What if he only stops giving you free beer after all other breweries have closed shop?

virgilp 6y ago
But there are plenty of other breweries! Adobe hasn't closed shop, neither has Microsoft (OneDrive), Dropbox, iDrive, pCloud, or for that matter SmugMug, Flickr etc.

TheCoelacanth 6y ago

If they are trying to drive competitors out of business to form an illegal monopoly, then yes.

nomad543 6y ago

If someone gives people free beer while driving out competitors or preventing potential competitors form starting a business, then it's dumping. No company should be entitled to decimate competition using dirty strategies.

andromeduck 6y ago
1. Loss leading is not dumping. 2. Plenty of competitors in the storage space are still thriving including Dropbox, Box, Microsoft OneDrive, Backblaze, Amazon Drive, Apple iCloud, etc. 3. There's even more more competition on the photo sharing side of things like Instagram, Flickr, SmugMug, 500px, imgur, imageshack, Facebook, 1x, photoblog, etc. 4. Photos isn't even the largest service nor Google the most influential player in either sector.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  Loss-leading to dissuade, discourage, weaken, or preempt market-based rivals is precisely dumping. https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/history-anti-dumping-countervailing-duties/ https://traderiskguaranty.com/trgpeak/history-anti-dumping-c... Or more properly, predatory pricing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing
  - andromeduck 6y ago
    Read your own links please and FYI Google Drive/Storage was far from the first to offer free storage, not by a long shot. Dropbox and Microsoft were offering of free storage years before Google even launched Drive. Free hosting in the photo sharing space predates Photos/Picasa by literally decades and even in their specific form they were never without major competitors from the likes of FB/MS/Flickr/Photobucket/IG etc.
    - dredmorbius 6y ago
      Irrelevant.
- romwell 6y ago
  Yeah, and which of those services you mentioned directly integrate with the camera and gallery app that ships with every other phone? Most pictures taken today are probably taken with an Android camera. Google is, indeed, the most influential player in that sector.
  - kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
    Apple iCloud

Dylan16807 6y ago

It's not entitlement to say that, if it would end like this, they never should have been giving away such vast amounts of free beer in the first place. That's asking for less free stuff in the interest of preserving healthy competition in the long term.

levosmetalo 6y ago

If you have an agreement with someone to give you a free beer for life, in exchange for your personal data, they should be allowed to back up? After already extracting all value for your data? What kind of entitlement is this?

virgilp 6y ago
It was not a "free beer for life", but "free beer in exchange for personal data". They stop providing the beer, you stop providing the data (new photos). Seems fairly reasonable. Turn it the other way around... would you find it reasonable to be obliged to continue to share your data for as long as they provide you with free beer? Or can you withdraw from the agreement?