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This. The whole thing is a lie. As a former EE, I can categorically state that absolutely no bench I have ever seen is that tidy when debugging hardware. It's
by qz2 6y ago
This. The whole thing is a lie.
As a former EE, I can categorically state that absolutely no bench I have ever seen is that tidy when debugging hardware. It's usually a complete snake pit of cables, mess and hell. And half the equipment that they would actually need to support what they have out on display is not actually there. Also no one is going to sit on those god awful chairs while working.
And on top of that I guarantee that there are PCs in their real laboratories that do the CAD and debugging work. Zukon, SolidWorks, Catia and Altium don't run on Macs.
PCs design Macs. Discuss :)
Edit: in retrospect I think it felt like a Scientologist recruitment video.
- Bayart 6y agoThe tables should also be covered in an appropriate amount of solder burns and flux residue.
- qz2 6y agoSpot on! Also the floor is usually littered with things that fell off the benches.
- the-dude 6y agoLike MELF diodes. But they are supposed to.
- bierjunge 6y agoNo coffee mugs, no post-it's, not a single piece of paper with some notes, no personal stuff -> can't be a engineering office. But the old Apple II on the shelf in the back got me to smile.
- Someone1234 6y agoWhich would require[0] a fume extractor, which they're lacking. Unless we're meant to believe they use lead free solder in their test labs. [0] https://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/otm_v/otm_v_3.html https://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/otm_v/otm_v_3.html
- kuschku 6y agoWell, I grew up working only with lead free solder (learnt soldering in school in the EU, and RoHS applies for such purposes as well), and honestly, I can't see why they wouldn't. Lead free solder might be a bit easier to work with, but in the end not having a poison everywhere around you is gonna allow you to focus on the real issues instead.
- kayfox 6y agoThere are ways of setting up solder fume extraction that is not intrusive, just like how casinos have HVAC systems that pull smoke upwards and out, generally avoiding the place smelling like smoke. I worked in a service center a long time ago that used such systems and if you shot video at ground level, you would never get any of that equipment in the shot.
- SAI_Peregrinus 6y agoFume extractors are for the flux fumes, not the (nonexistent) lead fumes. You need them whatever type of solder you use.
- Shivetya 6y agoDo we know if they have a staged set or is it all computer generated. Let alone I am curious how many takes it was for some of the presentations.
- davidrupp 6y ago"Zukon, SolidWorks, Catia and Altium don't run on Macs." -- Windows does: https://support.apple.com/boot-camp https://support.apple.com/boot-camp.
- qz2 6y agoIf you do that, Zukon, SolidWorks, Catia and Altium vendors will tell you to piss off if you want support because the hardware isn't ISV certified.
- IndrekR 6y agoNo they do not. I have seen many CAD stations with Windows on Mac. They do make solid hardware. Not sure for CATIA, but this is true for Zuken, Altium and SolidWorks at least; and Mentor Graphics and Cadence.
- kayfox 6y agoCATIA only supports specific workstation configurations. It can be run on unsupported workstations just fine, but you may hit a brick wall with Dassault Systèmes support, which is like half of what your paying for with the maintenance fees.
- 51Cards 6y agoAnd there are calipers on it on the scale of what you would use for woodworking. I can't fathom how you would use those in that lab but they look "sciency"
- qz2 6y agoYeah I imagine that pisses off woodworkers as much as it pisses me off seeing some 1980s LED multimeter featuring as a prop in the 2100's in The Expanse.
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- megous 6y agoThis was my immediate reaction too. Seeing those chairs, I chuckled immediately. It's basically Apple marketing's idea of a HW lab. :) Just like computer hacking, Hollywood style. At least I hope so.
- chapium 6y agoIts pretty obvious that if corporate is coming downstairs with cameras, they are going to make it look tidy.
- qz2 6y agoIt's really not. We never did :)
- josehill 6y ago"in retrospect I think it felt like a Scientologist recruitment video." I made a very similar comment to my gf during the live stream. I think there is something insular, cult-like, and very broken in tech culture, and the live stream really seemed to emphasize the point. Perhaps paradoxically, I thought this year's WWDC videos were much more natural and interesting, even though they clearly also were meticulously rehearsed and stage managed.
- IshKebab 6y agoErm, maybe they were asked to tidy it before filming? This is clearly not a studio, it's just a lab that has been tidied and all the crap hidden away (and maybe a few nice looking circuit boards scattered around).
- brian_herman 6y agoYes, but you could run Windows on a Intel Mac.