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It seems obvious to me that there was massive bias in media towards Biden, and they all happily accepted the narrative that Biden would win in a landslide and d

It seems obvious to me that there was massive bias in media towards Biden, and they all happily accepted the narrative that Biden would win in a landslide and dismissed anyone saying otherwise as know-nothings. IMO that's tantamount to election interference, if there's near unanimous media coverage for the entire election season of inaccurate polling that assumes a landslide Biden victory. I didn't vote for Biden or Trump, so I'm not really interested in defending either camp here. I just think the media and big tech are so demonstrably contemptible and partial.

bryanlarsen 6y ago
If the media should be giving equal status and weight to all the parties, what about the Libertarians and the Greens?
- wavefunction 6y ago
  And the Communist and Constitution Parties.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  > If the media should be giving equal status and weight to all the parties I'm not saying they need to give them equal status, necessarily - I'm saying that the employees of these institutions exist in a bubble mostly cause of class&geographic reasons. The point is that all of these positions "Biden will naturally win in a landslide per polling" are tacitly accepted and challenges are dismissed as hearsay. There needs to be some challenge/discourse against the elite orthodoxy.
  - bryanlarsen 6y ago
    I didn't see any of the elite media saying "Biden will naturally win in a landslide per polling". They were saying that in 2016. In 2020 much more common was "the polls are showing a landslide, but I don't trust the polls completely any more". If you are saying that the polls were deliberately biased, I disagree strongly. It's a really freaking hard job if only 1-3% of the people you try to poll don't hang up the phone on you. That the polling error was under 10% was incredible in that scenario. The media is biased. The polls had an error. Two very different things.
    - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
      > but I don't trust the polls completely any more That certainly was not the case. There was a bit of shell-shocked fear about 4 more years of Trump, but they most certainly did not expect a nail-biter election where Republicans outperformed in most areas, whether it's the presidential election in states(and pretty darn close to 10% off in some places), the Senate, the House or state legislatures.
- cwkoss 6y ago
  I think that would probably be great for the country. At least give them time proportional to their national vote share.
watwut 6y ago
You are aware that significant of not over half of American media is fox and various right wing media? Over half of media landscape is that.
- whateveracct 6y ago
  Conservative politics in America is simultaneously all-powerful and ever the victim.
bra-ket 6y ago
absolutely, Biden has a chance only thanks to constant brainwashing by the media, 'orange man bad evil racist' broadcasted 24/7 for 4 years to millions of people. If you repeat lies many times people start to believe in them even on subconscious level. Especially if you manipulate people emotions and subjective opinions. Try asking anyone supporting Biden why do they so firmly believe Trump is 'racist'. Their response will eventually come down to regurgitated media spin, which you can trace to news coverage by particular group of particularly biased sources. MSM won the elections.
- Falling3 6y ago
  Everyone I know who claims Trump is racist can quickly and easily point to specific policies, quotes, and actions - both before and during his presidency. This meme that people don't have evidence for their issues with Trump is not only false, it's comedically ironic.
  - fariktoon 6y ago
    The problem is that people in the US have a weird definition of racism, see the "shithole countries" mentioned in this discussion before.
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    I don't think so. He is just generally offensive. I use the classic and correct definition of racism that associates attributes to racial groups, or more precisely ethnicities and adds a value judgement to that. You are a racist if you think one ethnicity is intrinsically superior to others. I don't think Trump has that belief, it is also improbable for his character in my opinion.
    - Falling3 6y ago
      First, your argument is different from the comment to which I replied. Whether Trump _is_ a racist and whether people have reasons for believing he is a racist that they can articulate are two completely different things. >I use the classic and correct definition of racism I really don't have any interest in debating what definition of racism is better - certainly not which one is "correct". But dictionaries and definitions are descriptive and subject to change; they're not normative. If your argument hinges on a different definition of a word, you're no longer have a good faith discussion with someone.

bryanlarsen 6y ago

If the media should be giving equal status and weight to all the parties, what about the Libertarians and the Greens?

wavefunction 6y ago
And the Communist and Constitution Parties.
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> If the media should be giving equal status and weight to all the parties I'm not saying they need to give them equal status, necessarily - I'm saying that the employees of these institutions exist in a bubble mostly cause of class&geographic reasons. The point is that all of these positions "Biden will naturally win in a landslide per polling" are tacitly accepted and challenges are dismissed as hearsay. There needs to be some challenge/discourse against the elite orthodoxy.
- bryanlarsen 6y ago
  I didn't see any of the elite media saying "Biden will naturally win in a landslide per polling". They were saying that in 2016. In 2020 much more common was "the polls are showing a landslide, but I don't trust the polls completely any more". If you are saying that the polls were deliberately biased, I disagree strongly. It's a really freaking hard job if only 1-3% of the people you try to poll don't hang up the phone on you. That the polling error was under 10% was incredible in that scenario. The media is biased. The polls had an error. Two very different things.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    > but I don't trust the polls completely any more That certainly was not the case. There was a bit of shell-shocked fear about 4 more years of Trump, but they most certainly did not expect a nail-biter election where Republicans outperformed in most areas, whether it's the presidential election in states(and pretty darn close to 10% off in some places), the Senate, the House or state legislatures.
cwkoss 6y ago
I think that would probably be great for the country. At least give them time proportional to their national vote share.

watwut 6y ago

You are aware that significant of not over half of American media is fox and various right wing media? Over half of media landscape is that.

whateveracct 6y ago
Conservative politics in America is simultaneously all-powerful and ever the victim.

bra-ket 6y ago

absolutely, Biden has a chance only thanks to constant brainwashing by the media, 'orange man bad evil racist' broadcasted 24/7 for 4 years to millions of people. If you repeat lies many times people start to believe in them even on subconscious level. Especially if you manipulate people emotions and subjective opinions. Try asking anyone supporting Biden why do they so firmly believe Trump is 'racist'. Their response will eventually come down to regurgitated media spin, which you can trace to news coverage by particular group of particularly biased sources. MSM won the elections.

Falling3 6y ago
Everyone I know who claims Trump is racist can quickly and easily point to specific policies, quotes, and actions - both before and during his presidency. This meme that people don't have evidence for their issues with Trump is not only false, it's comedically ironic.
- fariktoon 6y ago
  The problem is that people in the US have a weird definition of racism, see the "shithole countries" mentioned in this discussion before.
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  I don't think so. He is just generally offensive. I use the classic and correct definition of racism that associates attributes to racial groups, or more precisely ethnicities and adds a value judgement to that. You are a racist if you think one ethnicity is intrinsically superior to others. I don't think Trump has that belief, it is also improbable for his character in my opinion.
  - Falling3 6y ago
    First, your argument is different from the comment to which I replied. Whether Trump _is_ a racist and whether people have reasons for believing he is a racist that they can articulate are two completely different things. >I use the classic and correct definition of racism I really don't have any interest in debating what definition of racism is better - certainly not which one is "correct". But dictionaries and definitions are descriptive and subject to change; they're not normative. If your argument hinges on a different definition of a word, you're no longer have a good faith discussion with someone.