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I'm guessing that since the RAM is now on the SOC instead of on separate chips creating models with more RAM becomes more difficult not only from a space constr
by geoffeg 6y ago
I'm guessing that since the RAM is now on the SOC instead of on separate chips creating models with more RAM becomes more difficult not only from a space constraint on the die but a cost to manufacture more variants?
- qz2 6y agoI imagine they all are made with 16Gb on and the ones that are broken get sold as 8Gb. What worries me is my desktop has 64Gb of RAM which cost 1/3 of Apple’s usual upgrade mugging. I think I’ll walk away from this. Edit: just seen £200 to upgrade from a 8Gb unit to 16Gb. 8GB of RAM for £200 is “get fucked” territory. I paid £240 for the 64Gb in my desktop.
- jiofih 6y agoThe iPad Pro has a mere 4GB of RAM and is faster at almost every task AND multitasking than any of my other beefy machines. I wouldn’t discount this yet.
- qz2 6y agoI have an iPad Pro. It’s not. And it’s not very flexible.
- sitzkrieg 6y agowhat kind of tasks are those? my eyes rolled into outer space
- jiofih 6y agoVideo, photo & audio editing. Browsing a million tabs. Presentations, documents, videos. Switching between apps is always instant.
- jonplackett 6y agoI think it depends what they've done with Big Sur. Take a look at your activity monitor and see how many background tasks you laptop is running right now (I currently have 481 and I only have 4 apps actually running). Compare that to iPad which can run 2 apps max and apple controls all the background activity.
- nottorp 6y agoI use 27 Gb of RAM currently on my hackintosh and none of my work VMs are on right now. No way I can get an arm Mac until they're available with 64+.
- qz2 6y agoThis. I was hitting a wall on RAM instantly at 32Gb.
- conductr 6y agoOut of curiosity, doing what??
- qz2 6y agoIDE + VMs + office + slack + zoom etc
- conductr 6y agoBlows my mind, I do most of the same on a 2013 MacBook Air with only 8GB RAM. I’ve never had a perf hiccup unless I try video editing or gaming. But I just don’t really have a want to do those things, hence why I’m still getting by on this thing. I was going to upgrade once for the hell of it but all the keyboard issues kept me seated. I expected you to say you did something with graphics/media. I guess the VMs could be the difference. I don’t use. But I have 100 chrome tabs open at most times lol.
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- easton 6y agoBut you don’t have background services on the iPad and apps are hibernated to disk if they aren’t active and iOS needs more ram. It’s possible that Apple is doing the same thing on macOS, but we don’t know (it would break a ton of apps).
- jiofih 6y agoThey started doing exactly that way back in Snow Leopard I think - app “open” indicators were removed at the time.
- gruez 6y ago> I imagine they all are made with 16Gb on and the ones that are broken get sold as 8Gb. that gets done for GPUs and CPUs because they're a monolithic die, but AFAIK that's not done for memory chips.
- DavidSJ 6y agoSorry to interject this and I don’t mean to distract from your point, but please don’t say bits when you mean bytes.
- Reason077 6y ago> "I imagine they all are made with 16Gb on and the ones that are broken get sold as 8Gb." Don't think so. The M1's RAM is integrated into the SoC package, but it's not actually on the same die. There's some images showing the discrete RAM modules in Apple's marketing material. > "Edit: just seen £200 to upgrade from a 8Gb unit to 16Gb." It's always been this way with Apple. Just in the old days you could pop the modules out and upgrade the RAM yourself.
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- monocasa 6y agoIt's not on the same die just the same package which albeit is still space constrained.
- geoffeg 6y agoThanks, I sometimes get those terms confused.
- brundolf 6y agoThis is a good point and begs an interesting question: will they continue using the same ARM chip across the whole line when the 16" MBP and the other iMacs make the switch, and if so, will all Macs of the same generation always have the same amount of RAM? Or will they branch the chips (M2 and M2S, or something)? Is RAM becoming less relevant when you have smart integration of software and hardware components, to a point where stratification is no longer necessary in most cases?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago> Is RAM becoming less relevant when you have smart integration of software and hardware components, to a point where stratification is no longer necessary in most cases? If they intend these things to run software development, audio/video editing, CAD, or any other resource-intensive workloads, there will absolutely be demand for more.
- brundolf 6y agoI could see the M2 coming with 32GB across the board, at which point the only current outliers (setting aside the Mac Pro as a special case) would be the 64GB configuration for the 16" Macbook Pro and the 64GB and 128GB configurations for the iMac. I could imagine Apple's optimizations closing the performance gap with the current 64GB offerings, and then perhaps they just leave 128GB customers to go all the way for the Mac Pro. I would be surprised to hear that they sell very many 128GB iMacs right now anyway.
- mseidl 6y agoI'm waiting for their mac pro with apple silicon to be capped at 16gb of ram! ;)
- bochoh 6y agoI'm imagining the mac pro with n M1 chips such that you get the memory you want. Not dissimilar to how Ryzen memory access works.
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