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as a software dev who went for air before the current gen of pro macbooks with hardware esc, dont do it the air is really sluggish for anything but the lightes

by kbar13 6y ago

as a software dev who went for air before the current gen of pro macbooks with hardware esc, dont do it the air is really sluggish for anything but the lightest of tasks. there was even extremely noticeable latency using gmail.com

minimaxir 6y ago
The OP is likely referring to the newly-announced Air with the same M1 chip.
marc11111 6y ago
Agree for the current Macs. The new Air seems to have the same specs as the new 13" Pro though or is there a difference?
- AnonHP 6y ago
  Since the new MacBook Air doesn’t have a fan while the MacBook Pro does, I’m sure there are some differences that Apple isn’t admitting right now. The battery life claimed by Apple is also higher on the Air compared to the Pro. Maybe the Air is throttled or runs at lower clock speeds.
  - wilsonnb3 6y ago
    The base model air has 7 GPU cores instead of the 8 that the higher end Air, Pro, and Mini have.
- ogjunkyard 6y ago
  If you configured them the same (chose the more expensive Air), the Air and the 13" Pro have the exact same specs from what I can tell other than a slightly brighter screen (500 nits vs. 400 nits) and slightly bigger battery (58.2 whr vs. 49.9 whr) on the 13" Pro.
breck 6y ago
I've been using Airs as my primary machine since 2010. I don't use bulky software (XCode, Adobe suite, Office, etc), so if you use any of that I wouldn't recommend it, but for software dev it's been plenty fast and a real joy to use. The only time I'm speed constrained is deep learning, but generally I just run tiny test sets locally and then run full jobs on a cluster or the cloud. In the mid 2010's I had a desktop with like 64GB of Ram and four million processors, and I found programming on the Air I was still more productive. Productivity wise I think it's a very high dimensional space to consider. (P.S. Can't wait to get this new Air!!!)
hyperdimension 6y ago
Honestly, I'm not even sure if that's an indictment of the hardware or gmail itself.
Aperocky 6y ago
I place my faith in ARM and 5nm TSMC processing.
jxi 6y ago
agree about old airs, but this new one has the same CPU as mac mini and macbook pro (although without a fan). If it's even 80% as fast as a mac mini, it'll be plenty fast for 90% of software development needs.
skrtskrt 6y ago
I only notice any issues when driving a big 4k monitor - seems like the graphics is the limitation to me.
Zarel 6y ago
There's a noticeable latency using gmail.com on my iMac Pro, too. I've always used powerful desktops (Mac Pro, iMac Pro) and MacBook Airs while traveling, and while the Airs aren't very good for video games like StarCraft II, I've never had a problem with performance while doing anything else (I work in VS Code on TypeScript). My unit tests run in ~20 seconds on the MacBook Air as well as the iMac Pro.
mekster 6y ago
Which air? I've used the last 2 Air for developing including Photoshop and VMware fusion but I could work just fine.

by kbar13 6y ago

minimaxir 6y ago

The OP is likely referring to the newly-announced Air with the same M1 chip.

marc11111 6y ago

Agree for the current Macs. The new Air seems to have the same specs as the new 13" Pro though or is there a difference?

AnonHP 6y ago
Since the new MacBook Air doesn’t have a fan while the MacBook Pro does, I’m sure there are some differences that Apple isn’t admitting right now. The battery life claimed by Apple is also higher on the Air compared to the Pro. Maybe the Air is throttled or runs at lower clock speeds.
- wilsonnb3 6y ago
  The base model air has 7 GPU cores instead of the 8 that the higher end Air, Pro, and Mini have.
ogjunkyard 6y ago
If you configured them the same (chose the more expensive Air), the Air and the 13" Pro have the exact same specs from what I can tell other than a slightly brighter screen (500 nits vs. 400 nits) and slightly bigger battery (58.2 whr vs. 49.9 whr) on the 13" Pro.

breck 6y ago

I've been using Airs as my primary machine since 2010. I don't use bulky software (XCode, Adobe suite, Office, etc), so if you use any of that I wouldn't recommend it, but for software dev it's been plenty fast and a real joy to use. The only time I'm speed constrained is deep learning, but generally I just run tiny test sets locally and then run full jobs on a cluster or the cloud. In the mid 2010's I had a desktop with like 64GB of Ram and four million processors, and I found programming on the Air I was still more productive. Productivity wise I think it's a very high dimensional space to consider. (P.S. Can't wait to get this new Air!!!)

hyperdimension 6y ago

Honestly, I'm not even sure if that's an indictment of the hardware or gmail itself.

Aperocky 6y ago

I place my faith in ARM and 5nm TSMC processing.

jxi 6y ago

agree about old airs, but this new one has the same CPU as mac mini and macbook pro (although without a fan). If it's even 80% as fast as a mac mini, it'll be plenty fast for 90% of software development needs.

skrtskrt 6y ago

I only notice any issues when driving a big 4k monitor - seems like the graphics is the limitation to me.

Zarel 6y ago

There's a noticeable latency using gmail.com on my iMac Pro, too. I've always used powerful desktops (Mac Pro, iMac Pro) and MacBook Airs while traveling, and while the Airs aren't very good for video games like StarCraft II, I've never had a problem with performance while doing anything else (I work in VS Code on TypeScript). My unit tests run in ~20 seconds on the MacBook Air as well as the iMac Pro.

mekster 6y ago

Which air? I've used the last 2 Air for developing including Photoshop and VMware fusion but I could work just fine.