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That should be illegal.

rbecker 6y ago
Instead, circumventing it is illegal.
coding123 6y ago
Isn't running out of ink something that requires a "repair" of the printer... So it should be covered under right to repair.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  This is a theoretical right people are calling for, not any actual right people have right now.
- bluGill 6y ago
  It should be, but so far this hasn't been successful in court. I'm not sure if it has been tried. Best to write your congressman first. When the laws are clearly success in court is more likely. Right now HP is twisting some legal arguments in a way that holds up to the letter of the law.
masklinn 6y ago
Sorry USA can't hear you over the sound of freedom.
- amelius 6y ago
  It's more a problem of the free market. When companies grow larger and larger, the stuff they produce tends to become more and more locked down. So a freedom naturally leads to a loss of freedom elsewhere.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    But they're abusing copyright law to restrict your freedom to use your own cartridges. We're technically able to do that, but HP will take all your money if you do.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    > So a freedom naturally leads to a loss of freedom elsewhere. No. It is willingness to abuse others when it is possible to get away with it. It is a matter of morality and conscience, nothing natural.
    - amelius 6y ago
      Many people claim that a company has no conscience and can do anything as long as it's within the boundaries of the law.
      - vetinari 6y ago
        And they are right; company has no conscience. The people making up the company should have. That is, unless they want to live in a society, where homo homini lupus est.
rhencke 6y ago
It used to be, moreso. [1] The legal 'bite' that has been attempted to be used to make these tactics work in the US (with varying success) is the DMCA. [2] [3] [4]. The argument goes, if you try to break the mechanism that locks down the print cartridge, that counts as circumventing a copy protection device. [5] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment,_Inc._v._Connectix_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment,_I.... [2] https://www.cnet.com/news/lexmark-invokes-dmca-in-toner-suit/ https://www.cnet.com/news/lexmark-invokes-dmca-in-toner-suit... [3] http://brandonw.net/skylanders/activision.pdf http://brandonw.net/skylanders/activision.pdf [4] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/texas_instruments_calculator_hacking/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/texas_instruments_ca... [5] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

Instead, circumventing it is illegal.

Isn't running out of ink something that requires a "repair" of the printer... So it should be covered under right to repair.

freeone3000 6y ago
This is a theoretical right people are calling for, not any actual right people have right now.
bluGill 6y ago
It should be, but so far this hasn't been successful in court. I'm not sure if it has been tried. Best to write your congressman first. When the laws are clearly success in court is more likely. Right now HP is twisting some legal arguments in a way that holds up to the letter of the law.

masklinn 6y ago

Sorry USA can't hear you over the sound of freedom.

amelius 6y ago
It's more a problem of the free market. When companies grow larger and larger, the stuff they produce tends to become more and more locked down. So a freedom naturally leads to a loss of freedom elsewhere.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  But they're abusing copyright law to restrict your freedom to use your own cartridges. We're technically able to do that, but HP will take all your money if you do.
- vetinari 6y ago
  > So a freedom naturally leads to a loss of freedom elsewhere. No. It is willingness to abuse others when it is possible to get away with it. It is a matter of morality and conscience, nothing natural.
  - amelius 6y ago
    Many people claim that a company has no conscience and can do anything as long as it's within the boundaries of the law.
    - vetinari 6y ago
      And they are right; company has no conscience. The people making up the company should have. That is, unless they want to live in a society, where homo homini lupus est.

rhencke 6y ago

It used to be, moreso. [1] The legal 'bite' that has been attempted to be used to make these tactics work in the US (with varying success) is the DMCA. [2] [3] [4]. The argument goes, if you try to break the mechanism that locks down the print cartridge, that counts as circumventing a copy protection device. [5] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment,_Inc._v._Connectix_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment,_I.... [2] https://www.cnet.com/news/lexmark-invokes-dmca-in-toner-suit/ https://www.cnet.com/news/lexmark-invokes-dmca-in-toner-suit... [3] http://brandonw.net/skylanders/activision.pdf http://brandonw.net/skylanders/activision.pdf [4] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/texas_instruments_calculator_hacking/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/texas_instruments_ca... [5] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201