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Philadelphia received over 350k mail-in ballots [1]. Biden's current winning margin for the whole state is under 46k [2]. Wayne county (Michigan) received over

Philadelphia received over 350k mail-in ballots [1]. Biden's current winning margin for the whole state is under 46k [2]. Wayne county (Michigan) received over 430k [3]. He's won Michigan by 148k [2]. In Wisconsin, the margin is just 20k [4], with the most populous county representing 459k votes. In Georgia--same kind of thing. Normally I agree with the dismissive "it's so decentralized, you couldn't do it." But it's different this year. Anyone could have predicted that the pro-Trump areas would finish counting faster, and then the pro-Biden areas would have multiple days and nights to count, all in staunchly pro-Biden areas capable of swinging the election. Of course we expected mail-in votes to lean Biden, but that doesn't mean anywhere from 51-99% indicates "no fraud." I'm not saying any fraud happened. All I'm saying is that it's not rational to presume it couldn't have happened without being detected. And it's worth some efforts to see how well we'd catch it if it were occurring. [1] https://whyy.org/articles/pa-election-2020-results-thousands-of-philly-mail-ballots-still-left-to-count/ https://whyy.org/articles/pa-election-2020-results-thousands... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-michigan-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-wisconsin-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/...

matwood 6y ago
So you're arguing that absentee ballot by mail is the problem? None of the states in question did automatic mail in voting. Each voter had to apply for absentee. And given the politicization of the pandemic, Trump made it a virtue signal to vote day-of in person. So of course the absentee vote was heavily D, and it came in from heavily D areas to start. I voted absentee and honestly it felt more secure than any in person voting I've ever done. I had to apply, fill out, and then drop off my vote in a box. My wife wasn't even allowed to drop off my vote, and instead I had to do it personally. I was then able to track it online and verify it was counted without an issue. Contrast this to when I hit some buttons in person and have no idea what happens after that. The point is, you have to trust the process at some point, and in this case fraud is so unlikely across multiple states with 10s of thousands of votes.
- moduspol 6y ago
  > So you're arguing that absentee ballot by mail is the problem? No. It's just one factor. For the rest, respectfully, you'll have to actually read my comments. Your responses haven't yet taken into account anything in my comments. It's like you saw the word "mail-in" and just typed out a response.
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    Is there a small amount of fraud? It wouldn't surprise me at all to find some in every election. How about a thought experiment: If you wanted to do it on a large enough scale to swing an election, How would you do it? Say you knew that there are three states which are going to be very close, and you wanted to add 10000 votes for your preferred candidate in each state. What would you do?
    - moduspol 6y ago
      Excellent question. I don't know the answer. That's why I think we need a "red team" or "bug bounty" program to investigate. How many ballots can fit in a mail truck? What does the chain of custody look like for all the different ways people can vote? What does the process look like when that chain of custody is suspected to have been broken? We've all seen how easily technological systems can be compromised through social engineering. Are there any gaps in the processes that could be exploited?

matwood 6y ago

So you're arguing that absentee ballot by mail is the problem? None of the states in question did automatic mail in voting. Each voter had to apply for absentee. And given the politicization of the pandemic, Trump made it a virtue signal to vote day-of in person. So of course the absentee vote was heavily D, and it came in from heavily D areas to start. I voted absentee and honestly it felt more secure than any in person voting I've ever done. I had to apply, fill out, and then drop off my vote in a box. My wife wasn't even allowed to drop off my vote, and instead I had to do it personally. I was then able to track it online and verify it was counted without an issue. Contrast this to when I hit some buttons in person and have no idea what happens after that. The point is, you have to trust the process at some point, and in this case fraud is so unlikely across multiple states with 10s of thousands of votes.

moduspol 6y ago
> So you're arguing that absentee ballot by mail is the problem? No. It's just one factor. For the rest, respectfully, you'll have to actually read my comments. Your responses haven't yet taken into account anything in my comments. It's like you saw the word "mail-in" and just typed out a response.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  Is there a small amount of fraud? It wouldn't surprise me at all to find some in every election. How about a thought experiment: If you wanted to do it on a large enough scale to swing an election, How would you do it? Say you knew that there are three states which are going to be very close, and you wanted to add 10000 votes for your preferred candidate in each state. What would you do?
  - moduspol 6y ago
    Excellent question. I don't know the answer. That's why I think we need a "red team" or "bug bounty" program to investigate. How many ballots can fit in a mail truck? What does the chain of custody look like for all the different ways people can vote? What does the process look like when that chain of custody is suspected to have been broken? We've all seen how easily technological systems can be compromised through social engineering. Are there any gaps in the processes that could be exploited?