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As beautiful and polished as iOS is it is policies like these that keep me on Android. I wish iSH the best of luck, but I will stick with Termux (https://termu

As beautiful and polished as iOS is it is policies like these that keep me on Android. I wish iSH the best of luck, but I will stick with Termux (https://termux.com/ https://termux.com/) on Android for now.

api 6y ago
I just categorize iOS devices as consoles, analogous to things like Nintendo game systems, and not as true general purpose computers. I also consider it foolish to attempt to innovate on this platform beyond the narrow confines of what mobile devices typically do, or to put too much engineering work into iOS specific stuff. Apple can and will simply revoke your app for fickle reasons. iOS is a pretty dumb term for cloud apps and the web, and that’s it. That being said I do have an iPhone... because for my phone that’s all I want and it works well and has better privacy than most Android devices. I basically want web, email, texting, calls, and maps, and maybe occasional apps like Uber or whatever. I don’t use it as a “real computer.” I have a real computer for that.
- maallooc 6y ago
  I use iOS devices specifically because they are consoles, not general purpose computers.
cute_boi 6y ago
i thought termux is going to have issue in latest version of andriod? This is what we get from monopoly.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  They have a workaround, which is to package debs in APKs, which they can generate automatically.
- thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
  The Termux developers have a plan (https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-Android-10 https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-An...). >> This is what we get from monopoly. Agreed. The Apple / Google mobile OS dualopy leaves few choices.
  - ampdepolymerase 6y ago
    This is the side effect when people espouse "scaling software" and "software is eating the world". Whoever scales first eats the world.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    The few choices are Librem 5 and PinePhone, native GNU/Linux phones.
    - m4rtink 6y ago
      Android hardware running GNU/Linux distros (such as Sailfish OS) on top of Android blobs via libhybris could be a stopgap solution as well. But indeed, phones running normal Linux distros need to be the norm in this case.
    - neop1x 6y ago
      I have Librem pre-ordered but I expect it will be barely usable as an Android replacement (yet). Though it had to start somewhere and I am glad Purism started that. There are many many smaller and bigger things which went into Android or iOS which will need to be re-done from scratch and things like Google Pay probably won't ever be on such a device. Camera will probably be quite bad, etc. On the other hand, there is Andbox which should partly fill in the app gabs in the meantime.
- bigbubba 6y ago
  Well.. duopoly. I think we're witnessing the war on general computation being lost: https://archive.org/details/GeneralComputation https://archive.org/details/GeneralComputation
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - arvinsim 6y ago
    We are losing the war because those who are supposed to fight for general computing are ceding ground to the duopoly due to a myriad of reasons(convenience, "security", ease of use, etc)
- deleted 6y ago
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nextos 6y ago
It's sad. I'm a Linux diehard, but during the pandemic I considered buying an iPad to SSH into my office workstation, browse the web, etc. as I got stuck in an awkward accommodation. Hardware is great, but the keyboard lacks a dedicated ESC, and I was quite uncomfortable with the fact that terminal apps seem like second rate citizens / not well liked by Apple. IMHO, there's a lot of untapped potential in the iPad as a programming device if Apple was more reasonable. The alternative Android tablet ecosystem, unlike phones, is total a mess. Samsung has a lot of nice offerings, but software is mediocre and they seem to be really unfocused. I eventually ended up getting a Surface Go, which is quirky is some regards, but supports Linux really well and is a real computer, not a locked appliance.
- pmontra 6y ago
  Android keyboards also lack Esc. The key in that place implements the go to home functionality (Android's middle button.) My use case is the now deprecated / defunct Linux container in Samsung's Dex. I didn't find a way to configure the keyboard and X11 to map it to an Esc for Linux. I've been using Control [, which is a little pain.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    Some keyboards have escape. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketwork...
  - dheera 6y ago
    Check out "Hacker's Keyboard"
    - pmontra 6y ago
      I mean a hardware keyboard, usually bluetooth but USB would do.
- ryukafalz 6y ago
  > I eventually ended up getting a Surface Go, which is quirky is some regards, but supports Linux really well and is a real computer, not a locked appliance. Doesn’t have working cameras though, right? I was looking into the Surface Go a bit as a Linux tablet recently, but it sounded like I wouldn’t have a working webcam (which I use fairly often these days for videoconferencing) and I’d need to install a kernel fork since some of the hardware isn’t supported yet in mainline Linux. I’d be glad to be wrong about these, since a lightweight Linux tablet (especially with LTE support!) would be amazing. My criteria for hardware that supports Linux really well these days though is more “works out of the box” and less “requires tinkering.”
Tade0 6y ago
Same. With Termux I was able to set up a rudimentary Node.js dev environment on my device - useful for showing people stuff I was working on which wasn't published.
Valkhyr 6y ago
Same here. I run Termux on my Pixel, but I also have an iPad and was really excited to when I installed iSH. I hoped their initial approval of iSH meant that Apple was becoming more liberal. Hell, I was even wondering if this would make it conceivable for me to switch back to an iPhone at some point if I became unhappy with Android. Of course, deep down I knew it could not last. Seriously, f* Apple, and f* the App Store.

api 6y ago

I just categorize iOS devices as consoles, analogous to things like Nintendo game systems, and not as true general purpose computers. I also consider it foolish to attempt to innovate on this platform beyond the narrow confines of what mobile devices typically do, or to put too much engineering work into iOS specific stuff. Apple can and will simply revoke your app for fickle reasons. iOS is a pretty dumb term for cloud apps and the web, and that’s it. That being said I do have an iPhone... because for my phone that’s all I want and it works well and has better privacy than most Android devices. I basically want web, email, texting, calls, and maps, and maybe occasional apps like Uber or whatever. I don’t use it as a “real computer.” I have a real computer for that.

maallooc 6y ago
I use iOS devices specifically because they are consoles, not general purpose computers.

cute_boi 6y ago

i thought termux is going to have issue in latest version of andriod? This is what we get from monopoly.

lern_too_spel 6y ago
They have a workaround, which is to package debs in APKs, which they can generate automatically.
thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
The Termux developers have a plan (https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-Android-10 https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-An...). >> This is what we get from monopoly. Agreed. The Apple / Google mobile OS dualopy leaves few choices.
- ampdepolymerase 6y ago
  This is the side effect when people espouse "scaling software" and "software is eating the world". Whoever scales first eats the world.
- fsflover 6y ago
  The few choices are Librem 5 and PinePhone, native GNU/Linux phones.
  - m4rtink 6y ago
    Android hardware running GNU/Linux distros (such as Sailfish OS) on top of Android blobs via libhybris could be a stopgap solution as well. But indeed, phones running normal Linux distros need to be the norm in this case.
  - neop1x 6y ago
    I have Librem pre-ordered but I expect it will be barely usable as an Android replacement (yet). Though it had to start somewhere and I am glad Purism started that. There are many many smaller and bigger things which went into Android or iOS which will need to be re-done from scratch and things like Google Pay probably won't ever be on such a device. Camera will probably be quite bad, etc. On the other hand, there is Andbox which should partly fill in the app gabs in the meantime.
bigbubba 6y ago
Well.. duopoly. I think we're witnessing the war on general computation being lost: https://archive.org/details/GeneralComputation https://archive.org/details/GeneralComputation
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- arvinsim 6y ago
  We are losing the war because those who are supposed to fight for general computing are ceding ground to the duopoly due to a myriad of reasons(convenience, "security", ease of use, etc)
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]

nextos 6y ago

It's sad. I'm a Linux diehard, but during the pandemic I considered buying an iPad to SSH into my office workstation, browse the web, etc. as I got stuck in an awkward accommodation. Hardware is great, but the keyboard lacks a dedicated ESC, and I was quite uncomfortable with the fact that terminal apps seem like second rate citizens / not well liked by Apple. IMHO, there's a lot of untapped potential in the iPad as a programming device if Apple was more reasonable. The alternative Android tablet ecosystem, unlike phones, is total a mess. Samsung has a lot of nice offerings, but software is mediocre and they seem to be really unfocused. I eventually ended up getting a Surface Go, which is quirky is some regards, but supports Linux really well and is a real computer, not a locked appliance.

pmontra 6y ago
Android keyboards also lack Esc. The key in that place implements the go to home functionality (Android's middle button.) My use case is the now deprecated / defunct Linux container in Samsung's Dex. I didn't find a way to configure the keyboard and X11 to map it to an Esc for Linux. I've been using Control [, which is a little pain.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  Some keyboards have escape. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketwork...
- dheera 6y ago
  Check out "Hacker's Keyboard"
  - pmontra 6y ago
    I mean a hardware keyboard, usually bluetooth but USB would do.
ryukafalz 6y ago
> I eventually ended up getting a Surface Go, which is quirky is some regards, but supports Linux really well and is a real computer, not a locked appliance. Doesn’t have working cameras though, right? I was looking into the Surface Go a bit as a Linux tablet recently, but it sounded like I wouldn’t have a working webcam (which I use fairly often these days for videoconferencing) and I’d need to install a kernel fork since some of the hardware isn’t supported yet in mainline Linux. I’d be glad to be wrong about these, since a lightweight Linux tablet (especially with LTE support!) would be amazing. My criteria for hardware that supports Linux really well these days though is more “works out of the box” and less “requires tinkering.”

Tade0 6y ago

Same. With Termux I was able to set up a rudimentary Node.js dev environment on my device - useful for showing people stuff I was working on which wasn't published.

Valkhyr 6y ago

Same here. I run Termux on my Pixel, but I also have an iPad and was really excited to when I installed iSH. I hoped their initial approval of iSH meant that Apple was becoming more liberal. Hell, I was even wondering if this would make it conceivable for me to switch back to an iPhone at some point if I became unhappy with Android. Of course, deep down I knew it could not last. Seriously, f* Apple, and f* the App Store.