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Actual violence is not a solution. What is need is anti-fishing equipment mines, that destroy nets brought into a protected area. A solar powered drone-sub wit
by PicassoCTs 6y ago
Actual violence is not a solution.
What is need is anti-fishing equipment mines, that destroy nets brought into a protected area. A solar powered drone-sub with a "gnaw"-wire-saw near the towing cables should do.
Fishing is a dying "industry" as is old school electricity- every time fishing goes into decline, fish-farms grow.
Interesting Trivia by the way: Fish farming is one of the cheapest ways to generate protein besides insects. Fish living in a weightless environ and requiring very little body heat, help to that.
- botwriter 6y agoGhost nets are some of the most ecologically destructive things on the planet. creating more of them isn't a smart move.
- PicassoCTs 6y agoSo the drone rolls them into a ball and carries them to the surface?
- steve_adams_86 6y agoI think you’re underestimating how massive fishing equipment is and how energy intensive that would be
- soulofmischief 6y agoAll State authority is backed by violence. If you wish to enforce an international decree, be prepared to use violence when an entity decides they are above the law at the expense of the planet or greater society.
- beamatronic 6y agoYou could even say that they are stealing these fish, which is a violent act in and of itself. So the “violence” has already started.
- darkerside 6y agoAnd they could say that claiming ownership and control over a natural resource constitutes an invasion of shared space, and this, violence
- thaumasiotes 6y ago> You could even say that they are stealing these fish, which is a violent act in and of itself. You could say that, but it would mostly serve to convince people not to listen to you.
- bigwavedave 6y agoIf S.H.I.E.L.D. waltzes into Wakanda and steals a ton of vibranium from their mines, is that not an act of theft/violence? Or is plundering another nation's resources not considered violence?
- thaumasiotes 6y ago> is that not an act of theft/violence? Well, I can see where your conceptual problem lies. Theft is taking something that isn't yours. Violence is use of force. They are orthogonal concerns. Whether your theft of something involved an act of violence depends on how you stole it.
- soulofmischief 6y agoWell actually, violence is not just physical in nature. You can be fiscally violent, i.e. harsh sanctions/trade wars, you can be emotionally violent, why you can commit unspeakable acts of violence without ever striking another person. Theft of resources to a point of detriment is always violence. Stealing an apple from Farmer John so you can eat is not violence. Destroying the ecosystem which Farmer John uses to grow his apples, so that you can have more apples, is violence. Overfishing in or near territories to the point of resource scarcity is 100%, always violence.
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- riffraff 6y agoaren't fish farms fed with other sea catch?
- olejorgenb 6y agoYes, but the plant-based content has increased alot in later years. 75% of the feed is plant based according to https://thefishsite.com/articles/whats-salmon-feed-really-made-of https://thefishsite.com/articles/whats-salmon-feed-really-ma...
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- oh_sigh 6y agoWhy is actual violence not a solution? How many fishing ships would need to be sunk by the Chilean Navy before they wouldn't enter their territorial waters?
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- ksdale 6y agoHow many fishing ships would need to be sunk before the Chinese navy shows up in Chilean waters?
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- remote_phone 6y agoThe Chinese navy would be at a compete disadvantage being so far away from friendly allies. Let them come.
- patmorgan23 6y agoAnd then china is at war with all of NATO
- virmundi 6y agoDoes China have a useful blue water navy? Besides South America could organize and easily defeat the Chinese ships.
- pjc50 6y agoProperty damage does also count as violence, and at sea will be met with violence; illegal boats will start mounting guns.
- pvaldes 6y ago> illegal boats will start mounting guns. This happens since decades near California Gulf in fact.
- mmm_grayons 6y agoThis may be a dopey question, but my understanding was that gun ownership basically didn't exist in China. The one instance of going shooting in China of which I've heard involved going to a special range in a major city in which rifles were chained to the table at the firing line. How do boats get away with this?
- yorwba 6y agoIf they're fishing in the Gulf of California, they might be able to get guns from some Mexican cartel, but they'd better not try to get them back to China. Though I'm not sure whether that's really happening, since a search for "chinese fishing boats fired" https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+fishing+boats+fired https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+fishing+boats+fired exclusively returns results where coast guards of other nations fired at Chinese boats. If Chinese boats had guns, you'd think they'd use them and we'd get to hear about it.
- pvaldes 6y agohttps://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/feb/10/shots-fired-boat-trying-save-endangered-vaquita-se/ https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/feb/10/shots-fired-boat-tryin... And incendiary weapons also: https://apnews.com/article/db582591f91d4747abc0fefc520257af https://apnews.com/article/db582591f91d4747abc0fefc520257af
- wnoise 6y agoChinese fishing boats that are illegally harvesting in other countries' maritime regions spend a great deal of time outside Chinese territory, where Chinese law is not enforced. And that's ignoring the possibility of collaborating with the Chinese state. Not that this is happening, but I don't see any large barriers to it.
- baxtr 6y agoSo mines that explode are non violent?
- tuatoru 6y agoA simpler method would be satellite observation[1] coupled with a universal "you catch it, you land it" rule - no more throwing by-catch back into the sea. 1. Thank you Elon, for making this feasible.
- redis_mlc 6y ago> Actual violence is not a solution. Stupid people say stupid things. Countries have navies to enforce their fishery zones, and navies work. Indonesia has sunk hundreds of Chinese fishing boats, and other nations will increasingly do the same, now that the true nature of the CCP has been exposed.