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If you chose to vote for Trump because of his economic policies and the benefits it would get you, you chose money over the safety of your fellow citizens. You

If you chose to vote for Trump because of his economic policies and the benefits it would get you, you chose money over the safety of your fellow citizens. You felt your fellow non white citizens were less important than your 401k. That when white nationalists were chanting “Jews will not replace us” and the president would not condemn them you stood by him. There is a massive list of horrible things this president has done. Many acts of fraud through out his entire life. An open child rape court case. Through all of this they have supported him. It’s not one cherry picked example. Trump supporters have nothing to hold up anymore. If you are one, look yourself in the mirror and say “I have been a terrible human being and American citizen, but I will work to be better”. Trump supporters don’t deserve sympathy or respect. Trump supporting republicans need to earn that.

creato 6y ago
Trump lost support among whites and gained support among black, latino, asian voters [1]. Whatever it is that is going on is not as simple as you make it sound. Personally, I think Democrats need to simply stop talking as much about race and gender. Trump being an asshole about the topic doesn't mean that people care. Most people don't want to hear it. As another example, CA prop 16 was also voted down, in a minority-majority state. 1. https://www.brookings.edu/research/2020-exit-polls-show-a-scrambling-of-democrats-and-republicans-traditional-bases/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/2020-exit-polls-show-a-sc...
- tashoecraft 6y ago
  Democrats have been very bad at elections. This election shouldn’t have been this close. Nothing changes the issues with Trump. People looked at Trump as a candidate and decided to vote for him regardless of all those things about him, and for that they chose to privatize themselves over the nation and their fellow countrymen.
  - salawat 6y ago
    >they chose to privatize themselves over the nation and their fellow countrymen. Incorrect from their point of view. They saw him as a lesser threat to stability through his policy decisions. I know, because I asked. Further, it is hard to argue with the results when you had Democrat cities getting burnt to the ground and there being no effort put into curtailing it which philosophy of leadership would genuinely lead to a safer polis. In fact, many of them voted that way, because they thought it was better for the country. Demonization and dehumanization of the other side gets you either nowhere, or in an increasingly bad place. I strongly advise against it.
    - vharuck 6y ago
      >Democrat cities Large cities usually lean Democratic. This is like saying "cities run by male mayors." It's the statistical reality, but not necessarily related.
    - mtnGoat 6y ago
      Which city burned to the ground?
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  NYTimes gives a much better overview of who voted for whom by demographics: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/... Trump getting 12% of the black vote in 2020 is up from the 8% he did in in 2016. That sounds like going from really low to not as but still really low. I don’t think Democrats would be taking so much about race and gender if Trump wasn’t dog whistling so much.
  - sfblah 6y ago
    I'm no fan of Trump, and I have no evidence, only opinions. But, maybe not all Black people are huge fans of the activist wing supported by many Blacks and other minorities? Seems like that could explain him getting more votes, by more actively pushing back against it.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > I'm no fan of Trump, and I have no evidence, only opinions. But, maybe not all Black people are huge fans of the activist wing supported by many Blacks and other minorities? The activist wing was defeated in the primary, and wasn't an option they were presented with. Many blacks are not supportive of the centrist wing and it's devotion to the interests of corporate capital and it near-total-absence of a working-class message, which, when it's the only thing around, makes right-wing economic populism, which does center around working class economic messaging (even if those of us on the progressive side might see it as both an ineffective platform if genuinely pursued, and much of it also a dishonest mirage being dangled as a manipulation strategy), if not exactly attractive—especially when visibly associated with virulent, violent racism—possibly seem the lesser near-term evil.
    - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
      Obviously, or he wouldn’t have gotten 12% of their vote. In 2016, he got a statistical 0% of the black female vote (not sure about 2020), so that percent is probably a lot higher for black males (eg 24% if he got 0% of their vote again this year). I’m not sure what to make of that. Edit: according to https://www.vox.com/2020/11/7/21551364/white-trump-voters-2020 https://www.vox.com/2020/11/7/21551364/white-trump-voters-20... Trump gained 4 points each for the black male and female vote, that would put him somewhere around 16, though I’m not sure what that article’s basis was. Still, those are starting from really low numbers to begin with, a lot of it could just be noise.
- cambalache 6y ago
  As non-white person I find the average white liberal MORE racist than your stereotypical redneck/Trump Follower.The last one is in your face, but most of the time the racism comes from ignorance or fear, cure them and you will go a long way to diminish it. The white liberal is way different, they see themselves basically as a superior person, the summit of human ethical achievement. They interject themselves into minority problems to show how much "they care" but 99% the acts are only to "virtue-signal", when push come to shove they will quickly align with any policy that makes their life easier, no matter the impact on the world. More insidiously, the supposed tolerance and open-mindeness are very quickly thrown out of the window once a minority sub-group fail to align to their worldview. See for example the vitriolic insults received by Cubans/Venezuelans in Florida just because they "dared" to vote for Trump. If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd.
  - learc83 6y ago
    >If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd. Since you don’t live in America, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and you should stop talking like you do.
    - cambalache 6y ago
      The world is big my friend, I dont live in America but I do know plenty of Americans. Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it.
      - learc83 6y ago
        I'm sorry but you still have no idea what you're talking about. 'I know some Americans' doesn't cut it. Unless you've lived in Trump country for a while there's no way you've met enough hard core Trump supporting rednecks to make any kind of accurate generalization about them. >Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it. I live in one of the reddest states in the nation and come from a family full of those Alabama rednecks you talk about, and I voted Republican in every election before 2016. If you think I represent the liberal elite, you're dead wrong. Good luck trying to get along with the rednecks you're talking about. Most of them don't want you here, and if they had their preferred immigration policy you wouldn't be allowed in. Many of the family members I talked about wouldn't even allow you to marry a person outside your race, and they'd prefer if schools were still segregated. Though they'd never say that to an outsider's face. And the majority of them outright support requiring Muslims to register with the government so they can be tracked. This has nothing to do with the South btw, it's more of an urban rural divide.
ericd 6y ago
Choosing candidates based on how well you think they’ll manage the economy is not a matter of just choosing one’s 401k over other priorities. Bad economies, especially in formerly prosperous countries, tend to lead to many much more obviously horrible things. In many ways, you can tie the rise of Hitler to the economic devastation of Germany in the aftermath of WW1. The Great Depression had some powerful effects in the US, as well - fascist and communist candidates gained a lot more traction than they had previously. Not to say that Trump was the man for the job on any of this, just that you shouldn’t wave away people’s prioritizing of a strong economy as greed driven.
manigandham 6y ago
This constant obsession with race and skin color from Trump opponents is why many minority citizens voted for him in the first place. If your entire statement breaks down at the existence of the first non-white Trump supporter than your position isn't as accurate or valid as you think.
- tashoecraft 6y ago
  That’s not how arguments work. There’s plenty who care more about themselves then others, regardless of skin color, race or gender. There’s the concept of f yours got mine. Also Trump just kept saying socialist even though that was so far removed from anything truthful, but people hear socialist and think that must be bad.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    That's how most people vote, on all sides, and they have no responsibility to vote any other way. That's how democracy works. Yet you clearly made a statement of all of his voters as choosing one thing over another. Perhaps you should revise that then, according to your new statement.
rangoon626 6y ago
> An open child rape court case. Joe Biden is on camera repeatedly sniffing kids, and his son made moves on an underage family member. If you chose to vote for Biden, I hope it wasn’t because of this allegation against Trump.
peterwoerner 6y ago
We have to find a way to come together and just assuming half the country is terrible doesn't lead anywhere good. Reasons people might support Trump in spite of his many many shortcomings: Trump has generated a middle east peace deal with UAE, Saudi etc. recognizing Israel which helps pave the way for stability in the region. We have not entering any new proxy wars during his reign. Trump banned lobbyists from the white house (although this one turned out to be a net negative because then the much of the white house staff members became defacto lobbyists--for instance Michael Cohen was paid around 10 million from various fortune 500 companies to help bring their interests to the president) His stance on not murdering babies (which is how many prolife members see abortion, your mileage may vary--I am pro choice myself). Trump has appointed many "true conservative" judges, so if you consider judicial appointments extremely important and are conservative you might support him for that reason. What about the fact that Richard Spencer, who started and led the Jews will not replace us rally and was the leader of the white nationalist movement at Charlottesville is now a CNN contributor and endorsed Biden. And the fact the president did condemn them, repeatedly. Trump passed the most comprehensive criminal justice reform bills of the last 20 years. 2020 Trump has the best percentage of vote share among republican presidential candidates from Hispanics, Jews, and African Americans of the past 50 years so maybe he isn't quite as racist as he seems. You could believe that school choice is the most important civil rights issue of our time. You think that the government has not right to be mandating lockdowns, school closures, etc. And have seen many instances of overreach from democrats. Very low trust in the media and other "ruling" elites whom Trump seems to be constantly embattled. There are of course lots of reasons to support Biden. As VP he oversaw a very successfully timeframe of American history, with economic growth, political and social stability. Trump has a tendency to say many things which are dog whistles/outright racist. Trump speaks about women in derogatory ways. Instead of bailing out local governments and schools during the coronavirus, Trump was pumping money into large corporations. Biden takes climate change seriously. We are likely to see a green new deal. Biden is likely to increase social safety nets during a time which is likely filled with economic uncertainty. Biden isn't doing saber rattling with China threatening a second cold war. Biden/Obama created a peace deal with Iran with the potential to bring stability to the region. Its hard to judge policy, but Biden's character is much much more appealing than Trump's. Biden is likely to bring a sense of dignity back to the office. Biden is not a divisive figure and can help heal the country. Biden is likely to bring police reform. Trumps response to the coronavirus has been terrible. He basically left it up to the states instead of showing leadership. Moreover he was constantly spouting whatever nonsense it was that he was spouting. Biden is likely to try and do something about the growing inequality in the country. Biden has shown he can lead competently. It's hard because conservatives and liberals tend to not only have differing personality traits, they tend to have underlying philosophies, priorities and thought patterns (personal anecdote not science). But we have to find ways to love each other despite our differences. Much love, I hope Biden does great things for the country and the next four years are prosperous, full of love and happy.
shard972 6y ago
good work brining the country together dumbass
kadabra9 6y ago
My money, my family, and my health is far more important to me than my fellow citizens, and especially my fellow “non citizens”.

creato 6y ago

Trump lost support among whites and gained support among black, latino, asian voters [1]. Whatever it is that is going on is not as simple as you make it sound. Personally, I think Democrats need to simply stop talking as much about race and gender. Trump being an asshole about the topic doesn't mean that people care. Most people don't want to hear it. As another example, CA prop 16 was also voted down, in a minority-majority state. 1. https://www.brookings.edu/research/2020-exit-polls-show-a-scrambling-of-democrats-and-republicans-traditional-bases/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/2020-exit-polls-show-a-sc...

tashoecraft 6y ago
Democrats have been very bad at elections. This election shouldn’t have been this close. Nothing changes the issues with Trump. People looked at Trump as a candidate and decided to vote for him regardless of all those things about him, and for that they chose to privatize themselves over the nation and their fellow countrymen.
- salawat 6y ago
  >they chose to privatize themselves over the nation and their fellow countrymen. Incorrect from their point of view. They saw him as a lesser threat to stability through his policy decisions. I know, because I asked. Further, it is hard to argue with the results when you had Democrat cities getting burnt to the ground and there being no effort put into curtailing it which philosophy of leadership would genuinely lead to a safer polis. In fact, many of them voted that way, because they thought it was better for the country. Demonization and dehumanization of the other side gets you either nowhere, or in an increasingly bad place. I strongly advise against it.
  - vharuck 6y ago
    >Democrat cities Large cities usually lean Democratic. This is like saying "cities run by male mayors." It's the statistical reality, but not necessarily related.
  - mtnGoat 6y ago
    Which city burned to the ground?
seanmcdirmid 6y ago
NYTimes gives a much better overview of who voted for whom by demographics: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/... Trump getting 12% of the black vote in 2020 is up from the 8% he did in in 2016. That sounds like going from really low to not as but still really low. I don’t think Democrats would be taking so much about race and gender if Trump wasn’t dog whistling so much.
- sfblah 6y ago
  I'm no fan of Trump, and I have no evidence, only opinions. But, maybe not all Black people are huge fans of the activist wing supported by many Blacks and other minorities? Seems like that could explain him getting more votes, by more actively pushing back against it.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > I'm no fan of Trump, and I have no evidence, only opinions. But, maybe not all Black people are huge fans of the activist wing supported by many Blacks and other minorities? The activist wing was defeated in the primary, and wasn't an option they were presented with. Many blacks are not supportive of the centrist wing and it's devotion to the interests of corporate capital and it near-total-absence of a working-class message, which, when it's the only thing around, makes right-wing economic populism, which does center around working class economic messaging (even if those of us on the progressive side might see it as both an ineffective platform if genuinely pursued, and much of it also a dishonest mirage being dangled as a manipulation strategy), if not exactly attractive—especially when visibly associated with virulent, violent racism—possibly seem the lesser near-term evil.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    Obviously, or he wouldn’t have gotten 12% of their vote. In 2016, he got a statistical 0% of the black female vote (not sure about 2020), so that percent is probably a lot higher for black males (eg 24% if he got 0% of their vote again this year). I’m not sure what to make of that. Edit: according to https://www.vox.com/2020/11/7/21551364/white-trump-voters-2020 https://www.vox.com/2020/11/7/21551364/white-trump-voters-20... Trump gained 4 points each for the black male and female vote, that would put him somewhere around 16, though I’m not sure what that article’s basis was. Still, those are starting from really low numbers to begin with, a lot of it could just be noise.
cambalache 6y ago
As non-white person I find the average white liberal MORE racist than your stereotypical redneck/Trump Follower.The last one is in your face, but most of the time the racism comes from ignorance or fear, cure them and you will go a long way to diminish it. The white liberal is way different, they see themselves basically as a superior person, the summit of human ethical achievement. They interject themselves into minority problems to show how much "they care" but 99% the acts are only to "virtue-signal", when push come to shove they will quickly align with any policy that makes their life easier, no matter the impact on the world. More insidiously, the supposed tolerance and open-mindeness are very quickly thrown out of the window once a minority sub-group fail to align to their worldview. See for example the vitriolic insults received by Cubans/Venezuelans in Florida just because they "dared" to vote for Trump. If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd.
- learc83 6y ago
  >If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd. Since you don’t live in America, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and you should stop talking like you do.
  - cambalache 6y ago
    The world is big my friend, I dont live in America but I do know plenty of Americans. Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it.
    - learc83 6y ago
      I'm sorry but you still have no idea what you're talking about. 'I know some Americans' doesn't cut it. Unless you've lived in Trump country for a while there's no way you've met enough hard core Trump supporting rednecks to make any kind of accurate generalization about them. >Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it. I live in one of the reddest states in the nation and come from a family full of those Alabama rednecks you talk about, and I voted Republican in every election before 2016. If you think I represent the liberal elite, you're dead wrong. Good luck trying to get along with the rednecks you're talking about. Most of them don't want you here, and if they had their preferred immigration policy you wouldn't be allowed in. Many of the family members I talked about wouldn't even allow you to marry a person outside your race, and they'd prefer if schools were still segregated. Though they'd never say that to an outsider's face. And the majority of them outright support requiring Muslims to register with the government so they can be tracked. This has nothing to do with the South btw, it's more of an urban rural divide.

ericd 6y ago

Choosing candidates based on how well you think they’ll manage the economy is not a matter of just choosing one’s 401k over other priorities. Bad economies, especially in formerly prosperous countries, tend to lead to many much more obviously horrible things. In many ways, you can tie the rise of Hitler to the economic devastation of Germany in the aftermath of WW1. The Great Depression had some powerful effects in the US, as well - fascist and communist candidates gained a lot more traction than they had previously. Not to say that Trump was the man for the job on any of this, just that you shouldn’t wave away people’s prioritizing of a strong economy as greed driven.

manigandham 6y ago

This constant obsession with race and skin color from Trump opponents is why many minority citizens voted for him in the first place. If your entire statement breaks down at the existence of the first non-white Trump supporter than your position isn't as accurate or valid as you think.

tashoecraft 6y ago
That’s not how arguments work. There’s plenty who care more about themselves then others, regardless of skin color, race or gender. There’s the concept of f yours got mine. Also Trump just kept saying socialist even though that was so far removed from anything truthful, but people hear socialist and think that must be bad.
- manigandham 6y ago
  That's how most people vote, on all sides, and they have no responsibility to vote any other way. That's how democracy works. Yet you clearly made a statement of all of his voters as choosing one thing over another. Perhaps you should revise that then, according to your new statement.

rangoon626 6y ago

> An open child rape court case. Joe Biden is on camera repeatedly sniffing kids, and his son made moves on an underage family member. If you chose to vote for Biden, I hope it wasn’t because of this allegation against Trump.

peterwoerner 6y ago

We have to find a way to come together and just assuming half the country is terrible doesn't lead anywhere good. Reasons people might support Trump in spite of his many many shortcomings: Trump has generated a middle east peace deal with UAE, Saudi etc. recognizing Israel which helps pave the way for stability in the region. We have not entering any new proxy wars during his reign. Trump banned lobbyists from the white house (although this one turned out to be a net negative because then the much of the white house staff members became defacto lobbyists--for instance Michael Cohen was paid around 10 million from various fortune 500 companies to help bring their interests to the president) His stance on not murdering babies (which is how many prolife members see abortion, your mileage may vary--I am pro choice myself). Trump has appointed many "true conservative" judges, so if you consider judicial appointments extremely important and are conservative you might support him for that reason. What about the fact that Richard Spencer, who started and led the Jews will not replace us rally and was the leader of the white nationalist movement at Charlottesville is now a CNN contributor and endorsed Biden. And the fact the president did condemn them, repeatedly. Trump passed the most comprehensive criminal justice reform bills of the last 20 years. 2020 Trump has the best percentage of vote share among republican presidential candidates from Hispanics, Jews, and African Americans of the past 50 years so maybe he isn't quite as racist as he seems. You could believe that school choice is the most important civil rights issue of our time. You think that the government has not right to be mandating lockdowns, school closures, etc. And have seen many instances of overreach from democrats. Very low trust in the media and other "ruling" elites whom Trump seems to be constantly embattled. There are of course lots of reasons to support Biden. As VP he oversaw a very successfully timeframe of American history, with economic growth, political and social stability. Trump has a tendency to say many things which are dog whistles/outright racist. Trump speaks about women in derogatory ways. Instead of bailing out local governments and schools during the coronavirus, Trump was pumping money into large corporations. Biden takes climate change seriously. We are likely to see a green new deal. Biden is likely to increase social safety nets during a time which is likely filled with economic uncertainty. Biden isn't doing saber rattling with China threatening a second cold war. Biden/Obama created a peace deal with Iran with the potential to bring stability to the region. Its hard to judge policy, but Biden's character is much much more appealing than Trump's. Biden is likely to bring a sense of dignity back to the office. Biden is not a divisive figure and can help heal the country. Biden is likely to bring police reform. Trumps response to the coronavirus has been terrible. He basically left it up to the states instead of showing leadership. Moreover he was constantly spouting whatever nonsense it was that he was spouting. Biden is likely to try and do something about the growing inequality in the country. Biden has shown he can lead competently. It's hard because conservatives and liberals tend to not only have differing personality traits, they tend to have underlying philosophies, priorities and thought patterns (personal anecdote not science). But we have to find ways to love each other despite our differences. Much love, I hope Biden does great things for the country and the next four years are prosperous, full of love and happy.

shard972 6y ago

good work brining the country together dumbass

kadabra9 6y ago

My money, my family, and my health is far more important to me than my fellow citizens, and especially my fellow “non citizens”.