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It's the old adage, "conservatives think liberals are stupid, liberals think conservatives are evil."

klipt 6y ago
I know a lot of liberals who think conservatives (especially poorer conservatives) are stupidly voting against their class interests.
- pnw_hazor 6y ago
  They probably still hate those conservatives though. Even now you can see the hate being directed to Blacks or Hispanics that may have voted for Trump.
  - crooked-v 6y ago
    One must consider the major confounding factor here that Republicans have made a substantial effort to publicly taunt and insult liberals from positions of power[1], and that being the target of that kind of thing can easily override what would otherwise be more compassionate interaction. [1]: One example: https://twitter.com/CawthornforNC/status/1323813315169165313 https://twitter.com/CawthornforNC/status/1323813315169165313
- mythrwy 6y ago
  What that tells you is... they don't understand those interests. Or they don't understand that their proposed solutions don't sound likely to solve the interests.
  - klipt 6y ago
    Suppose class mobility is good for poorer people. Canada has more class mobility than the US. Canada also has universal healthcare (like most developed countries) which helps people take risks like starting their own business which helps with class mobility. Why do poor republicans in the US keep voting against universal healthcare?
    - watwut 6y ago
      They actually don't. You get that result only if you exclude non white people. Overall, if you define working class or poor economically, they are more likely to vote for those things.
- centimeter 6y ago
  This is because the heuristics low-IQ conservatives use are actually better than the low-quality first-order reasoning midwit liberals use. Policies that immediately enrich poor people at the expense of economically productive people are bad for poor people in the medium-long run. Low-IQ conservatives do not explicitly understand this, but their inherited heuristics encode it.

I know a lot of liberals who think conservatives (especially poorer conservatives) are stupidly voting against their class interests.

pnw_hazor 6y ago
They probably still hate those conservatives though. Even now you can see the hate being directed to Blacks or Hispanics that may have voted for Trump.
- crooked-v 6y ago
  One must consider the major confounding factor here that Republicans have made a substantial effort to publicly taunt and insult liberals from positions of power[1], and that being the target of that kind of thing can easily override what would otherwise be more compassionate interaction. [1]: One example: https://twitter.com/CawthornforNC/status/1323813315169165313 https://twitter.com/CawthornforNC/status/1323813315169165313
mythrwy 6y ago
What that tells you is... they don't understand those interests. Or they don't understand that their proposed solutions don't sound likely to solve the interests.
- klipt 6y ago
  Suppose class mobility is good for poorer people. Canada has more class mobility than the US. Canada also has universal healthcare (like most developed countries) which helps people take risks like starting their own business which helps with class mobility. Why do poor republicans in the US keep voting against universal healthcare?
  - watwut 6y ago
    They actually don't. You get that result only if you exclude non white people. Overall, if you define working class or poor economically, they are more likely to vote for those things.
centimeter 6y ago
This is because the heuristics low-IQ conservatives use are actually better than the low-quality first-order reasoning midwit liberals use. Policies that immediately enrich poor people at the expense of economically productive people are bad for poor people in the medium-long run. Low-IQ conservatives do not explicitly understand this, but their inherited heuristics encode it.