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The Influence of Breathing on the Central Nervous System
- whereistimbo 6y ago> Stopping the diaphragm is extremely important because your egoic thoughts (or life situation) is tied to the diaphragm. The ego needs time to exist – a past or a future. You are consciousness and exist only in the present moment. I have not read this in a book or been told this by anyone, I have experienced this. I don’t understand all of it yet but I know my thought patterns have completely changed since activating my kundalini – time no longer exists in my thoughts. The only thing that matters to me is this present moment. source: https://yogaforums.com/t/kundalini-and-the-breathless-state/9171/5 https://yogaforums.com/t/kundalini-and-the-breathless-state/...
- kovek 6y agoI actually tried to sign up to yogaforums yesterday and I could not get the verification email. Breathing is such an interesting aspect of life that we don’t explore a lot in popular culture.
- chubot 6y agoI've been interested in it for the last 2 or 3 years, and pleasantly surprised that it's showing up on HN a lot. Here's a surprising claim that has scientific concensus: Basically ALL humans have problems breathing. That is, apes and other mammals don't have these problems. The two main reasons are the anatomical changes due to the evolution of speech, and the advent of agriculture, which completely changed our diets and thus the structure of our jaw. Previous comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23435964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23435964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24247066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24247066 More comments about nestor's recent book Breath: https://www.google.com/search?q=nestor+site%3Anews.ycombinator.com&oq=nestor+site%3Anews.ycombinator.com https://www.google.com/search?q=nestor+site%3Anews.ycombinat... The book is very good, but it's not "conclusive". It's a good exploration of many facets of breathing. It is a big subject and everyone is a little different. However it's been eye opening to me how many "minor" unexplained chronic health problems are ultimately caused by bad breathing. (And these turn into major problems over 10 or 20 years.) If you go to the doctor, you'll get treatment for the symptoms and not the cause (this has happened to many people in my family, and many people I know)
- kovek 6y ago> Here's a surprising claim that has scientific concensus: Basically ALL humans have problems breathing I believe this might be true. Do you have a citation, paper or source? Thank you for the resources you linked! How could I explore breathing (mine or generally)?
- chubot 6y agoI would say the best popular/scientific books are Breath by Nestor (released this year), and Jaws by Kahn (2018). It's coming into public consciousness, although the books show that this knowledge was available in the 1930's and forgotten, and in the 1700's and forgotten, etc. If you prefer video, here's an in-depth interview with Nestor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5o9b2RVC2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5o9b2RVC2E The shorter clips extracted from this interview are compelling. For more specific medical advice, there is "Sleep, Interrupted" by Park, and "The 8 hour sleep paradox" by Burhenne. It's a big area because breath affects so many parts of your physiology, but all these people are saying overlapping things, coming from their own professional viewpoint. There is a particular focus on the relation to teeth, and that is one of the most common correlations. But there are also correlations with sinus problems, acid reflux, anxiety, ADD, high blood pressure, weight gain and obesity, and bad sleep. That is, extremely common things that most people just live with for years. But they don't have to. Also, if you have children, you have to answer the question: why do so many children need orthodontic work? What happened 1000 years ago when there were no orthodontists? The answer is that our diets changed drastically in the last 200 years, and also ~10,000 years ago with the advent of agriculture. If you don't believe that, the question still needs an answer! Same with the causes of all these minor chronic problems. Most people just live with the symptoms, and for some reason don't ask for the fundamental reasons why. Like food, breath is at the the base of your physiology, so it makes sense as a candidate. ----- If you want a whole bunch of studies, I have this book (recommended by my dentist) and there are 140 scientific papers cited in the back. https://www.amazon.com/Airway-Management-Solution-Health-Crisis/dp/1977208738 https://www.amazon.com/Airway-Management-Solution-Health-Cri... "Airway dentistry" is actually its own separate subfield, which is weird because a lot of practicing dentists seem only dimly aware of it! But at least in the United States you can find "sleep dentists" or "airway dentists" in most major cities. But somehow I went 20+ years being completely unaware of their existence. The evidence that's cited over and over for the agriculture thesis is the collection of skulls at U Penn. Modern humans have drastically different skulls than humans before agriculture. That is described in "Breath" and "Jaws". I don't recall a primary source for the speech thesis, but it's mentioned in "Sleep, Interrupted", "Jaws", and "Breath". Although actually I just googled and it was easy to find a reference: https://dentalsleeppractice.com/ce-articles/evolution-human-oral-airway-apnea/ https://dentalsleeppractice.com/ce-articles/evolution-human-... Significant evolutionary changes to the human head are flat face, smaller chin, shorter oral cavity, changes in jaw function, repositioning of ears behind jaws, ascent of the uvula and descent of the epiglottis, right angle bend in tongue, creation of compliant, combined, flexible airway-foodway, and speech.9 9. “Reconstructing Human Origins”, Conroy, GC; 2nd ed. WW Norton, NewYork, 2005. I haven't heard of this book but it seems legit: https://www.amazon.com/Reconstructing-Human-Origins-Modern-Synthesis/dp/0393912892 https://www.amazon.com/Reconstructing-Human-Origins-Modern-S... Anyway I think there is plenty of scientific evidence. What really matters is that this knowledge makes its way into popular culture and common medical practice. That appears to be happening, but it's surprisingly uneven! Hope that helps, and feel free to follow up with questions... I'm thinking of starting a blog on this subject, based on reading several books, and talking to many doctors who seem completely unaware of this. Nestor's book explains why doctors are unaware of it, and why most people get poor treatment for these issues: because doctors are specialists, and they are used to fixing severe problems. They are trained to see their part of the equation. Breathing is more holistic because it affects everything: your teeth, mouth, eyes, brain, heart, etc. And bad breathing kills you over 20 years. It doesn't cause an emergency in most cases.
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- whereistimbo 6y agoIn my experience, gain control over a person's diaphragm means gain control over the person's ego.
- chrisweekly 6y agoSounds very reminiscent of Eckhart Tolle ("The Power of Now"). Which I recommend.
- whereistimbo 6y agoOP (umunhum) in the linked post did read Eckhart Tolle book.
- amelius 6y ago> You are consciousness and exist only in the present moment. Perhaps not the time/place to ask but did anyone ever investigate how this can be true given that information needs a small amount of time to travel between neurons? Aren't we actually living in a time-interval rather than a time-point?
- whereistimbo 6y agoToday I've learned that there are some places that might worth take a look for releasing emotional tension: 1. Diaphragm 2. area around clavicular 3. adam's apple (especially if there's fap habit) 4. unrelaxed jaw because of poor posture 5. tongue 6. larynx 7. area around bindu 8. abdominal 9. vajroli 10. chidakasha 11. area below eyes close to nose. 12. area below eyes
- whereistimbo 6y agoToday I've learned that tension around adam's apple or cricoid cartilage can be relieved using ujjayi pranayama.
- whereistimbo 6y agoToday I've learned what I've been thinking as please in my genital is actually a tension. Vajroli mudra seems to help to alleviate this tension.
- whereistimbo 6y agoToday I've learned that tension lined up in thyroid-adam's apple-clavicular can be released by sheetali pranayama with head in matsyasana position.
- whereistimbo 6y agoToday I've learned that when I failed to release tension on my body, I had found out that my part that close to sahasrara in (presumably gray matter area) brain is tensed up. When I just relaxed and didn't obsessively release tension on my body, the part that got tension was relaxed. I've also found out that I've got tension on area orund ears. Coincidentally the somatic nervous system in the brain was close to my left ear, and when I relaxed my left ear somehow the part close to where somatic nervous system located were relaxed too.
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- whereistimbo 6y agoPsychosomatic diseases are real, and asana pranayama mudra bandha shatkarma are exist to alleviate them.
- cassepipe 6y ago"but there is no current, concrete data on the effects that the rehabilitative training or manual approaches could have on the patient; in particular, on his/her cognitive and cerebral aspects in general."
- jtsuken 6y agoAnd the reason for this is surprisingly technical: Medical journals from all statistics and mathematics available in the world only accept randomised double-blind trials. Now try and find a reference population of people with "skill and desire to train breathing techniques to improve their health". Administer half of those people a "placebo" technique, where both the trainer and the subject are convinced they are working on the "correct breathing technique". Measure the improved health condition. Deliver "statistically significant results" showing how the placebo group improved less than the actual test group.
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- carapace 6y ago"It's a start." I find it fascinating and very hopeful that Western scientific methods are beginning to be used to understand the significance of breathing. Breathing is one of only two (or three) physiological processes that are both autonomic and volitional. (The other is blinking. I think there might be a third one but I forget what it is.) It's a weird blind spot to have, eh? I mean, once you see it, it's weird that we (in the West) haven't been more interested in a systematic way in the effects of deliberate modulation of breath. Why would we evolve to have volitional control over our breathing?
- easytiger 6y ago> Why would we evolve to have volitional control over our breathing Eating, mainly, I'd assume
- JoshTriplett 6y agoIf it were only that, it could still be autonomic (breathe while not swallowing). The hypotheses in this thread seem likely: speaking, or hiding from by predators/prey.
- cercatrova 6y agoEating, swimming, running, and other exercises require precise control of your breathing.
- ben_w 6y ago> The other is blinking. I think there might be a third one but I forget what it is There are reports of being able to predetermine when we wake before we sleep; I don’t know if those are anecdotal or properly studied. I assume anything related to stress, anger, or sexual responses are also consciously triggerable, given we can make ourselves stressed, angry, or horny by thinking about the right things.
- carapace 6y ago> There are reports of being able to predetermine when we wake before we sleep FWIW I can do that. At one point in my life I had to wake up a specific times (that varied day to day) and was using an alarm clock and I noticed I kept waking up exactly two minutes before the alarm was set to go off. I stopped using the alarm clock but kept waking up at the right time. It was like once I noticed I could do it I "had faith" that it would work and it did. > I assume anything related to stress, anger, or sexual responses are also consciously triggerable, given we can make ourselves stressed, angry, or horny by thinking about the right things. That's a good point, and it's broader than you say, that is, pretty much every physiological response can be controlled through self-hypnosis, "thinking about the right things". But that's different than the volitional control over breathing and blinking. Every normal person can choose to control their breathing or their eyelids at will in a way that they can't choose to control e.g their digestion or the rate of hair growth or their body temperature, etc.
- flobosg 6y agoRelated thread from two weeks ago: “The physiological effects of slow breathing in the healthy human” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24857356 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24857356
- Noumenon72 6y agoThe domain and big words had me expecting a scientific paper; the fact that they jump from topic to topic without driving toward anything or saying how it's connected had me thinking GPT-3; the fact that the conclusion is "we can conclude with this reflection: Breath has patterns. Schemes create behavior. Breath is a behavior. Behavior represents the person. Breath reveals the person." has me thinking it might be some kind of planted article for fake yoga marketers to cite. Maybe I just skimmed too fast and didn't give it a chance.
- jessriedel 6y agoYea, this is not a peer-reviewed journal in the traditional sense. > Cureus, also known as the Cureus Journal of Medical Science, is an open access general medical journal known for its use of crowdsourcing in its peer-review process and is among the growing number of journals using prepublication and postpublication peer review. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cureus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cureus
- Noumenon72 6y agoThanks, I assumed from "nih.gov" that this was official journal of the National Institutes of Health or something.
- unishark 6y agoIt is pubmed, which is a NIH indexing service for healthcare articles. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/about/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/about/ They do only include limited journals, not garbage generally. Though I'm not sure where the line is drawn.
- jessriedel 6y agoYea, I think this is right on the line. They are attempting "crowd-sourced" peer review, which is the sort of thing that should be experimented with (so I wouldn't want to penalize them), but it's clearly not providing the kind of filter people expect of an academic journal.
- DoreenMichele 6y agoIf you have a strong (personal) need to understand how breathing impacts the body, a good source of info that can be found in layman's terms is stuff about altitude sickness and about what happens to the body at altitude even before it turns into altitude sickness. (This is probably especially valuable info if you have gut issues or blood health issues.)
- mcjkrw 6y agoTaking care of my breathing pattern, among other things, is what helped me reduce/eliminate anxiety - especially while programming. I always had some anxiety and social awkardness after working. Taking care of my breathing, posture, being in sync with the breath, this is what helped me eliminate these issues. The mind is more cooled down, detached and objective, whereas previously, the mind was at the whim of whatever thoughts were running through - which was the source of anxiety.
- jungletime 6y agoI can recommend this Yoga series. Namaste Yoga. Not only is it shot in beautiful destinations. But it gives you prompts when to inhale and when to exhale. Its basically a 20 minute breathing exercise combination Yoga, you can do from home, during the lockdown. Actually, if you take a hot bath before doing the exercises, its feels even more amazing because your body is warmed up. So its basically synchronized movement with breath, to relaxing music. Here's one of their episodes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJ8Siv-u8U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJ8Siv-u8U