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And if everybody add their own little restrictions on people / organizations they find evil, the whole thing could rapidly become unmanageable even if licenses

by jraph 6y ago

And if everybody add their own little restrictions on people / organizations they find evil, the whole thing could rapidly become unmanageable even if licenses are somewhat compatible when trying to combine codes from different projects. This is not a good path to take, even if it sounds appealing. Revenge is also often not the right response to a bad action, it can escalate where the opposite effect may be desirable. Let's try other stuff and continue to allow RIAA to use our tools, they even may evolve for the better in the future and that would be great, no?

raxxorrax 6y ago
The RIAA is based on revenge against media sharing. There had to be some rules, but I don't think I would want to compromise with the organization.
- jmpman 6y ago
  Interesting view. I thought the RIAA was based on ensuring rights for copyright holders.
  - horsawlarway 6y ago
    If by rights, you explicitly mean "The right to be paid" then I think you're probably correct. Although I'd note they're not really interested in having the musician get paid. Mainly just members of the RIAA. Now - I have some sympathy for that view - I'd also like to get paid, and while I think the RIAA has little real value in the world, some of it's members certainly are working on the marketing and promotion front. That said, I use many of these downloading services to save conference talks from youtube. So they're attacking a service I use legally for a useful purpose. At some point, ethically, I start to lose ANY sympathy for them as an organization. Basically - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNS7IqmZBbA&has_verified=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNS7IqmZBbA&has_verified=1
rrobukef 6y ago
Licensing is already a big mess. And it is not about revenge. It is about enforcing the spirit of those open source licenses. WordPress uses GPL to force users to contribute to open source. Do you think the RIAA contributes? Instead they actively attack it. Do you think the RIAA can evolve for the better? It has an explicit mandate to restrict copyrights. Its existence opposes the software they use. True, sadly it is unfeasible. It is a nice fantasy.
- athms 6y ago
  >WordPress uses GPL to force users to contribute to open source. No it doesn't. Users can modify the source and refuse to share it. Sharing only applies if one distributes the code.
  - rrobukef 6y ago
    This depends on whether the GPL includes (part of) the html-code distributed by the website (seems not, this is the domain of AGPL). GPL is widely known to be insidious. Using 'force' was perhaps too strong.

by jraph 6y ago

raxxorrax 6y ago

The RIAA is based on revenge against media sharing. There had to be some rules, but I don't think I would want to compromise with the organization.

jmpman 6y ago
Interesting view. I thought the RIAA was based on ensuring rights for copyright holders.
- horsawlarway 6y ago
  If by rights, you explicitly mean "The right to be paid" then I think you're probably correct. Although I'd note they're not really interested in having the musician get paid. Mainly just members of the RIAA. Now - I have some sympathy for that view - I'd also like to get paid, and while I think the RIAA has little real value in the world, some of it's members certainly are working on the marketing and promotion front. That said, I use many of these downloading services to save conference talks from youtube. So they're attacking a service I use legally for a useful purpose. At some point, ethically, I start to lose ANY sympathy for them as an organization. Basically - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNS7IqmZBbA&has_verified=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNS7IqmZBbA&has_verified=1

rrobukef 6y ago

Licensing is already a big mess. And it is not about revenge. It is about enforcing the spirit of those open source licenses. WordPress uses GPL to force users to contribute to open source. Do you think the RIAA contributes? Instead they actively attack it. Do you think the RIAA can evolve for the better? It has an explicit mandate to restrict copyrights. Its existence opposes the software they use. True, sadly it is unfeasible. It is a nice fantasy.

athms 6y ago
>WordPress uses GPL to force users to contribute to open source. No it doesn't. Users can modify the source and refuse to share it. Sharing only applies if one distributes the code.
- rrobukef 6y ago
  This depends on whether the GPL includes (part of) the html-code distributed by the website (seems not, this is the domain of AGPL). GPL is widely known to be insidious. Using 'force' was perhaps too strong.