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Which will lead to GitHub adding content filters which will lead to false flags and rejected commits which will lead to algorithms wrongly flagging existing con

Which will lead to GitHub adding content filters which will lead to false flags and rejected commits which will lead to algorithms wrongly flagging existing content in your repo which will lead to a byzantine appeal processes which ... ... no wait, that was my Youtube channel.

swiley 6y ago
I'm sure people will start noticing the pattern with these platforms... any day now.
raxxorrax 6y ago
Companies actually lobby the EU, I guess the same is true for the US, to allow "forward scanning". Meaning they would like to proactively try to purge the net of illegal content. Mozilla is part of this alliance. I am going to leave Github, since the tech giants + Mozilla should not be trusted. https://edima-eu.org/ https://edima-eu.org/
- dotdi 6y ago
  I think rather than pretending such efforts don't exist, opposing companies could strategically join to have _some_ say and _some_ influence on how this plays out. Or maybe I'm just being naïve.
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    I hope you are correct, but reading up about it just left me disappointed. While it may be true that you can influence the group, I think it is often used as an excuse because more participants give more weight to the interest group in the first place. But I hope you are right.
- Sayrus 6y ago
  Is this[1] the document you are talking about? It doesn't seem to read as bad as what you make it sounds but it could end up exactly that bad. As dotdi said, I hope that companies like Mozilla joined to (try to) influence these decisions. [1] https://edima-eu.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ORF-Series_-Safeguards_EDiMA.pdf https://edima-eu.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ORF-Series_-...
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    They also don't want to let it sound bad, but in essence this is exactly what they are proposing from what I gather. In a moment of greatness, which we have very few, EU officials specifically disallowed "forward policing". Perhaps I do have a fundamental misunderstanding and the ambition is indeed to restrict general monitoring (sic) and these attempts are meant to sway some more zealous voices. But a lot of these companies here have shown interest in getting more data rather than less. Without further comment this seems to be an attempt to fortify their positions as "leading internet companies" as they describe themselves and furthermore... > limited liability when they take proactive action to ensure that illegal content [...] ... can basically allow propaganda. You just need to conjure a threat of incoming "illegal" content.
    - sprafa 6y ago
      The EU technocrati are both a complete disaster and one of the most progressive well informed group of legislators on earth. It’s a curious paradox
- dleslie 6y ago
  Mozilla jumped the shark when they relented to supporting EME and packaging Widevine and OpenH264 with an otherwise-FOSS product. It's not as though a fork couldn't have added those. And despite adding those the user share of Firefox continues to decline.
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    How Mozilla has changed in the last years hurts the most. I do think the leadership just wants to profit from the name and it will at one point cease to exists. It has done much for the net though, it should not be forgotten.
    - metalliqaz 6y ago
      they are just trying to stay alive
      - dleslie 6y ago
        They're doing a poor job of it. They've been stuck at around 4% market share for over a year now.
  - rollcat 6y ago
    Mozilla is not GNU. They may compromise on their values because it allows them to stay relevant and get anything done at all.
    - dleslie 6y ago
      Stay relevant? Firefox is stuck at around 4% of market share. They're as relevant as a statistical aberration.
- the5avage 6y ago
  Thanks for sharing this. Didn't know and i live in EU. It's so disgusting i actually have a sore tummy after visiting the site. I really detest the obnoxious marketing speak like: "We support policy initiatives that are pro-consumer and that promote innovation and growth towards a Digital Single Market for Europe."
fouric 6y ago
How does the problem have anything to do with GitHub and not the RIAA/DMCA?

swiley 6y ago

I'm sure people will start noticing the pattern with these platforms... any day now.

raxxorrax 6y ago

Companies actually lobby the EU, I guess the same is true for the US, to allow "forward scanning". Meaning they would like to proactively try to purge the net of illegal content. Mozilla is part of this alliance. I am going to leave Github, since the tech giants + Mozilla should not be trusted. https://edima-eu.org/ https://edima-eu.org/

dotdi 6y ago
I think rather than pretending such efforts don't exist, opposing companies could strategically join to have _some_ say and _some_ influence on how this plays out. Or maybe I'm just being naïve.
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  I hope you are correct, but reading up about it just left me disappointed. While it may be true that you can influence the group, I think it is often used as an excuse because more participants give more weight to the interest group in the first place. But I hope you are right.
Sayrus 6y ago
Is this[1] the document you are talking about? It doesn't seem to read as bad as what you make it sounds but it could end up exactly that bad. As dotdi said, I hope that companies like Mozilla joined to (try to) influence these decisions. [1] https://edima-eu.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ORF-Series_-Safeguards_EDiMA.pdf https://edima-eu.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ORF-Series_-...
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  They also don't want to let it sound bad, but in essence this is exactly what they are proposing from what I gather. In a moment of greatness, which we have very few, EU officials specifically disallowed "forward policing". Perhaps I do have a fundamental misunderstanding and the ambition is indeed to restrict general monitoring (sic) and these attempts are meant to sway some more zealous voices. But a lot of these companies here have shown interest in getting more data rather than less. Without further comment this seems to be an attempt to fortify their positions as "leading internet companies" as they describe themselves and furthermore... > limited liability when they take proactive action to ensure that illegal content [...] ... can basically allow propaganda. You just need to conjure a threat of incoming "illegal" content.
  - sprafa 6y ago
    The EU technocrati are both a complete disaster and one of the most progressive well informed group of legislators on earth. It’s a curious paradox
dleslie 6y ago
Mozilla jumped the shark when they relented to supporting EME and packaging Widevine and OpenH264 with an otherwise-FOSS product. It's not as though a fork couldn't have added those. And despite adding those the user share of Firefox continues to decline.
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  How Mozilla has changed in the last years hurts the most. I do think the leadership just wants to profit from the name and it will at one point cease to exists. It has done much for the net though, it should not be forgotten.
  - metalliqaz 6y ago
    they are just trying to stay alive
    - dleslie 6y ago
      They're doing a poor job of it. They've been stuck at around 4% market share for over a year now.
- rollcat 6y ago
  Mozilla is not GNU. They may compromise on their values because it allows them to stay relevant and get anything done at all.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    Stay relevant? Firefox is stuck at around 4% of market share. They're as relevant as a statistical aberration.
the5avage 6y ago
Thanks for sharing this. Didn't know and i live in EU. It's so disgusting i actually have a sore tummy after visiting the site. I really detest the obnoxious marketing speak like: "We support policy initiatives that are pro-consumer and that promote innovation and growth towards a Digital Single Market for Europe."

fouric 6y ago

How does the problem have anything to do with GitHub and not the RIAA/DMCA?