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i dunno, seems pretty significant to me. used to be that we only had to be skeptical of blurry newspapers photos, then detailed photos, then videos without peop

by patcon 6y ago

i dunno, seems pretty significant to me. used to be that we only had to be skeptical of blurry newspapers photos, then detailed photos, then videos without people as giveaway, now highly detailed videos and audio aren't trustable. You don't think it seems significant that it's getting to a point where only "seeing with your eyes" is believing? All our systems of spreading information beyond our senses start to fail when we can't trust anything outside our perceived experience (or things brought to us by our trusted friends)

paulryanrogers 6y ago
Blurring around the face edges and mismatched lighting still give them away. Time will tell if the machines can overcome a trained eye.
- godelski 6y ago
  I think that is a bit of selection bias. Outside of what I've seen in papers Ctrl Click Face[0] has some of the best "in practice" deep fakes I've seen. The video in the main post is meant to be a joke. But these still aren't state of the art and really are just "some dude" that is doing this on their own. Not a production studio. What I think is different here is that we can think that: photoshop got so good that your average person can create convincingly fake content. At the end of the day deep fakes are part of photoshop (I mean they have neural filters now...). The question is more about ease of use. "Requires a team of highly trained special effects artists" vs "some dude in his basement and a shiny computer." And a big part is that you have prior knowledge. I'll be honest, I didn't realize it was Trump at first. Nor did a friend that I sent the video to that didn't have the prior that all characters were fake. Took him a good minute. That's a meaningful difference. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pV-_iyT4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pV-_iyT4U
  - dorkwood 6y ago
    Small correction, but the video in the main post was indeed created by a production studio of deep fake artists. From the NY Times article: > The “Sassy Justice” creators said they had spent “millions” of dollars to make the video, including the initial investments to produce the halted movie and set up the Deep Voodoo studio, though they declined to specify the exact cost. “It’s probably the single most expensive YouTube video ever made,” Parker said.
    - godelski 6y ago
      Sorry for the confusion, I was saying that Ctrl Click Face is "just some dude." Talented, but as far as I'm aware, just one person.
- breakfastduck 6y ago
  Easy to get around this by shooting the deepfakes in high quality, then crushing the final footage into lower quality before sharing it. Would make those kind of artifacts much harder to identify
- patcon 6y ago
  The perception of things being untrustable (and that it's coming down the pipeline) is what will break larger society. If people are expecting deep fakes to arrive, we'll start seeing the knock-on effects of that erosion in trust waaaaaay before even a fraction of the risks are real. (imho of course :)

by patcon 6y ago

paulryanrogers 6y ago

Blurring around the face edges and mismatched lighting still give them away. Time will tell if the machines can overcome a trained eye.

godelski 6y ago
I think that is a bit of selection bias. Outside of what I've seen in papers Ctrl Click Face[0] has some of the best "in practice" deep fakes I've seen. The video in the main post is meant to be a joke. But these still aren't state of the art and really are just "some dude" that is doing this on their own. Not a production studio. What I think is different here is that we can think that: photoshop got so good that your average person can create convincingly fake content. At the end of the day deep fakes are part of photoshop (I mean they have neural filters now...). The question is more about ease of use. "Requires a team of highly trained special effects artists" vs "some dude in his basement and a shiny computer." And a big part is that you have prior knowledge. I'll be honest, I didn't realize it was Trump at first. Nor did a friend that I sent the video to that didn't have the prior that all characters were fake. Took him a good minute. That's a meaningful difference. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pV-_iyT4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pV-_iyT4U
- dorkwood 6y ago
  Small correction, but the video in the main post was indeed created by a production studio of deep fake artists. From the NY Times article: > The “Sassy Justice” creators said they had spent “millions” of dollars to make the video, including the initial investments to produce the halted movie and set up the Deep Voodoo studio, though they declined to specify the exact cost. “It’s probably the single most expensive YouTube video ever made,” Parker said.
  - godelski 6y ago
    Sorry for the confusion, I was saying that Ctrl Click Face is "just some dude." Talented, but as far as I'm aware, just one person.
breakfastduck 6y ago
Easy to get around this by shooting the deepfakes in high quality, then crushing the final footage into lower quality before sharing it. Would make those kind of artifacts much harder to identify
patcon 6y ago
The perception of things being untrustable (and that it's coming down the pipeline) is what will break larger society. If people are expecting deep fakes to arrive, we'll start seeing the knock-on effects of that erosion in trust waaaaaay before even a fraction of the risks are real. (imho of course :)