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But again, is that comparable? Seems like apples versus oranges. What’s the connectivity into your 7+ year old asset cost? What about the space, power and cool

But again, is that comparable? Seems like apples versus oranges. What’s the connectivity into your 7+ year old asset cost? What about the space, power and cooling to provide it a home? What happens when your environment gets attacked by a volumetric DDOS, is that 100Mbps circuit going to get overwhelmed? I’m not arguing AWS is cheaper, simply that there are lots of things around the physical server which also have costs and complexities.

tw04 6y ago
>What’s the connectivity into your 7+ year old asset cost? What about the space, power and cooling to provide it a home? 10Gbe ethernet was standard in 2013/2014. Space power and cooling is company dependent. If they're tiny, a closet in the building or a colocation facility, if they're larger, a room. If they're huge, a datacenter. >What happens when your environment gets attacked by a volumetric DDOS, is that 100Mbps circuit going to get overwhelmed? I can't recall the last time a customer got hit by a "volumetric DDoS". End-user facing systems sit behind cloudflare. Internal apps are... internal. Who cares if the WAN connection is getting hit by DDoS when your users are on campus? In post-covid world, they've got multiple tunnels with SD-WAN. That's ignoring that fact that Centurylink or Comcast or Telia are pretty good at mitigating DDoS in 2020. Just because they don't post about the attacks they endure on a blog doesn't mean they're inept. https://business.comcast.com/help-and-support/ethernet/comcast-business-ethernet-threat-management-service/ https://business.comcast.com/help-and-support/ethernet/comca... https://assets.centurylink.com/is/content/centurylink/centurylink-ddos-mitigation-service-data-sheet-1 https://assets.centurylink.com/is/content/centurylink/centur... >I’m not arguing AWS is cheaper, simply that there are lots of things around the physical server which also have costs and complexities. Sure, and they're all complexities which we solved 30+ years ago.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  > Sure, and they're all complexities which we solved 30+ years ago. The argument isn't that they are solved or not, but the cost of implementing and maintaining them vs AWS.
  - kikimora 6y ago
    I never say a whop running on AWS and not having a person managing it. Said person always has enough skill to replicate same setup on a dedicated hardware/VPS. I don't say such shops does not exists, it just I never saw them. To me AWS killer features are RDS and ability to provision 100 servers in a few minutes. Most of the time scaling is not needed and RDS alone cannot justify the cost of AWS.

tw04 6y ago

>What’s the connectivity into your 7+ year old asset cost? What about the space, power and cooling to provide it a home? 10Gbe ethernet was standard in 2013/2014. Space power and cooling is company dependent. If they're tiny, a closet in the building or a colocation facility, if they're larger, a room. If they're huge, a datacenter. >What happens when your environment gets attacked by a volumetric DDOS, is that 100Mbps circuit going to get overwhelmed? I can't recall the last time a customer got hit by a "volumetric DDoS". End-user facing systems sit behind cloudflare. Internal apps are... internal. Who cares if the WAN connection is getting hit by DDoS when your users are on campus? In post-covid world, they've got multiple tunnels with SD-WAN. That's ignoring that fact that Centurylink or Comcast or Telia are pretty good at mitigating DDoS in 2020. Just because they don't post about the attacks they endure on a blog doesn't mean they're inept. https://business.comcast.com/help-and-support/ethernet/comcast-business-ethernet-threat-management-service/ https://business.comcast.com/help-and-support/ethernet/comca... https://assets.centurylink.com/is/content/centurylink/centurylink-ddos-mitigation-service-data-sheet-1 https://assets.centurylink.com/is/content/centurylink/centur... >I’m not arguing AWS is cheaper, simply that there are lots of things around the physical server which also have costs and complexities. Sure, and they're all complexities which we solved 30+ years ago.

throwaway894345 6y ago
> Sure, and they're all complexities which we solved 30+ years ago. The argument isn't that they are solved or not, but the cost of implementing and maintaining them vs AWS.
- kikimora 6y ago
  I never say a whop running on AWS and not having a person managing it. Said person always has enough skill to replicate same setup on a dedicated hardware/VPS. I don't say such shops does not exists, it just I never saw them. To me AWS killer features are RDS and ability to provision 100 servers in a few minutes. Most of the time scaling is not needed and RDS alone cannot justify the cost of AWS.