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> First, deaths aren't the only measure. For every death there are many more people that just barely survive after a hospital stay, and data suggests a signific
by anoncake 6y ago
> First, deaths aren't the only measure. For every death there are many more people that just barely survive after a hospital stay, and data suggests a significant amount of those people will have long-term problems.
...where long-term means a few months at most. People do recover, just uncomfortably slowly.
> Second, if the hospitals are overloaded by such people (even if most of them survive) then the IFR of Covid can rise higher than 0.5-1%.
I'm not so sure about that. These IFR estimates haven't changed much since spring, when half of those hospitalized died.[1,2,3] Our treatment methods have improved since then. If the estimates reflected the IFR with treatment, they would be lower today. So I think an IFR of 0.5-1% is actually the worst case.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any source explicitly comparing death rates with vs without treatment.
[1] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-30992030243-7/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...
[2] https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/new-estimate-by-the-cdc-brings-down-the-covid-19-death-rate-to-just-0-26-as-against-whos-3-4/ https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/new-estimate-by-the-cdc-b...
[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32234121/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32234121/
- DanBC 6y agoNo, the current IFR of about 1% is the best case with current treatment options. It was much higher earlier on.
- nradov 6y agoNo the current IFR is significantly less than 1%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...
- DanBC 6y agoThose are not real IFRs, those are estimates used for planning scenarios. Also, they don't include anyone over the age of 80. > The parameters in the scenarios: > Are estimates intended to support public health preparedness and planning. > Are not predictions of the expected effects of COVID-19. > Do not reflect the impact of any behavioral changes, social distancing, or other interventions.
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- anoncake 6y ago> Those are not real IFRs, those are estimates used for planning scenarios. Estimates are the realest thing we have. > Do not reflect the impact of any behavioral changes, social distancing, or other interventions. How would these things affect the IFR negatively?
- anoncake 6y agoDo you have source for that? I think you're confusing the IFR and the CFR.