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The pandemic has a death toll. A lot of these things would've happened even without a lockdown, since if the pandemic goes badly enough, huge swaths of the pop

The pandemic has a death toll. A lot of these things would've happened even without a lockdown, since if the pandemic goes badly enough, huge swaths of the population would've shut themselves at home to avoid risk of contagion. Also, the virus is clearly more dangerous than the lockdown: you have seen what happens when the lockdown is applied to the whole population, but you haven't yet seen what happens when the virus has spread to 50%+ of the population (and it's especially ugly if it'd happen all in a short amount of time). It's sad to know about additional suicides, though the reports I've seen say that there hasn't been any increase in suicides during the lockdowns (but again: it might've been specific to the situation in Europe)

matwood 6y ago
> The pandemic has a death toll. This is important to repeat and add also add economic toll. People blame the death and economic toll on lockdowns or other mitigation measures, but the toll is from the pandemic itself. Even if no state mitigation measures were implemented, there would still be a huge economic and mental health toll.
EricE 6y ago
Sweden didn't lock down and if you look at the deaths per million they are the lowest in Europe. Raw infection numbers are scary, but not very telling since testing is far from universal or error free. Death stats aren't that reliable either. Covid seems to be deadly and a miracle cure at the same time - it's amazing how death rates for other maladies all seem to be dramatically down. I'm sure that is just coincidence.
- pvaldes 6y ago
  > Sweden didn't lock down and if you look at the deaths per million they are the lowest in Europe. This is False (obviously). Germany: 126 deaths by million Portugal: 247 France: 549 Sweden: 580 Spain: 764
- aedanman 6y ago
  Well if we all do what Sweden did and apply it to the world population only 39,000,000 people need to die from Covid. Sounds reasonable.
- mlazos 6y ago
  This was like maybe true 8 months ago, before Sweden had multiple waves. It’s been false for a while now and I don’t know why everyone keeps saying it. Another comment has the right data. Also if you’re insinuating that other maladies are getting reclassified as covid, you can look at excess deaths and see most countries had more people die in the past six months than usual, and seems to indicate we actually undercount covid deaths (this latter part is for the US)

matwood 6y ago

> The pandemic has a death toll. This is important to repeat and add also add economic toll. People blame the death and economic toll on lockdowns or other mitigation measures, but the toll is from the pandemic itself. Even if no state mitigation measures were implemented, there would still be a huge economic and mental health toll.

EricE 6y ago

Sweden didn't lock down and if you look at the deaths per million they are the lowest in Europe. Raw infection numbers are scary, but not very telling since testing is far from universal or error free. Death stats aren't that reliable either. Covid seems to be deadly and a miracle cure at the same time - it's amazing how death rates for other maladies all seem to be dramatically down. I'm sure that is just coincidence.

pvaldes 6y ago
> Sweden didn't lock down and if you look at the deaths per million they are the lowest in Europe. This is False (obviously). Germany: 126 deaths by million Portugal: 247 France: 549 Sweden: 580 Spain: 764
aedanman 6y ago
Well if we all do what Sweden did and apply it to the world population only 39,000,000 people need to die from Covid. Sounds reasonable.
mlazos 6y ago
This was like maybe true 8 months ago, before Sweden had multiple waves. It’s been false for a while now and I don’t know why everyone keeps saying it. Another comment has the right data. Also if you’re insinuating that other maladies are getting reclassified as covid, you can look at excess deaths and see most countries had more people die in the past six months than usual, and seems to indicate we actually undercount covid deaths (this latter part is for the US)