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Who else believes this valid/legit email is being used to sell a boat load of other unvalidated crap? Also, not sure it's a good HN post.

by e40 6y ago

googthrowaway42 6y ago
The way people have been dealing with these leaks is pretty amazing. The amount of goalpost moving is so absurd that it's just amusing at this point. It's basically like one of those doomsday cults that keeps pushing back the date of the apocalypse when the previous date comes and goes. > Also, not sure it's a good HN post. Just lol.
- dariusj18 6y ago
  I don't know of any goalpost moving. Most reasonable people from the beginning assumed, 1. There were legitimate "scandalous" materials gained via hacking. 2. The entire story of how it was acquired was either fabricated or setup. 3. The materials that attempt to tie the scandal to Joe Biden are the ones that need authentication to be interesting. 4. Without authentication it could be an attempt to use the personally scandalous materials of Hunter Biden to create an air of authenticity for the other items.
api 6y ago
From what I can see some of the material is legit and mildly scandalous, but it’s being used as a horse upon which a huge body of arbitrary accusations and insinuations can ride in. Same with the real possibility of porn (gasp!) on the laptop being used to insinuate child porn to trigger the Q cult. Using a mild to moderate scandal to insinuate major scandal is pretty standard political smear technique. Trump is immune to this because he just admits to everything or does all his shady stuff in the open and his supporters don’t care. Pretty hard to scandalize him.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  This isn't a mild scandal even when you exclude the sex/drugs component of it. There are documents and audio recording detailing relationships between the Biden family and members of the Chinese intelligence services, among other things. There are text messages and emails which show that Hunter was regularly consulting with his father Joe Biden on these deals. Hunter Biden’s Apparent Contract to Represent Chinese ‘Spy Chief’ Leaked: https://www.mediaite.com/news/read-the-1-million-contract-hunter-biden-signed-to-represent-chinese-spy-chief/ https://www.mediaite.com/news/read-the-1-million-contract-hu... There have been text messages leaked from the family discussing allegations of Hunter engaging in sexual misconduct with a minor member of the Biden family. Photos leaked of Hunter Biden purport to show Hunter Biden (who is naked in these photos) with this minor in the background sitting on his bed.
  - api 6y ago
    Well if this is true it means we have a Chinese asset sex predator vs a Russian asset sex predator. That’s a tough one. It would maintain the accuracy rating of The Onion with their “Democrats concerned that Biden has not assaulted enough women to beat Trump” story. They are both awful candidates. I voted for Biden and still would because at least he doesn’t associate with and dog whistle to Nazis. That is so pathetic. Never thought I would miss Bush. This country is going down if we can’t increase the quality of our talent pool for this job.
    - googthrowaway42 6y ago
      I find comments like this extremely interesting. What you've written is deranged and comes across like a programmed response similar (I would say functionally identical) to that of a devoted cult member. You've just rattled off what come across as very hackneyed almost childlike talking points. However, based on your profile you're obviously an extremely intelligent and productive person. It really shows the importance of having a well ordered society with a ruling class that has the general welfare of the citizenry in mind. The world is too complicated and complex a place for every person, even the most intelligent and productive among us, to have to concern themselves with these sorts of things. We have a right to live in a society where we can trust our institutions. Unfortunately we are living in a time where our institutions are completely and utterly corrupt at almost evert level.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > It really shows the importance of having a well ordered society with a ruling class that has the general welfare of the citizenry in mind. Unless the citizenry as a whole is the ruling class, you will never have that except as a transient aberration.
        googthrowaway42 6y ago
        Yes I get what you're saying. It is transient in the sense that all civilizations have an arc or cycle that involves greatness and then decadence. However, what I'm talking about is not a perfect set of selfless angels in the ruling class but rather a sense of virtue to counteract the natural tendency of wielding power in a self serving nature. I really see very little of that virtue at all right now. As a very crass but serious example of that, when I was growing up no one in a place of authority was trying to convince me that I (a male) was a girl whereas children growing up now are having to deal with that.

Who else believes this valid/legit email is being used to sell a boat load of other unvalidated crap? Also, not sure it's a good HN post.

by e40 6y ago

Who else believes this valid/legit email is being used to sell a boat load of other unvalidated crap? Also, not sure it's a good HN post.

googthrowaway42 6y ago

The way people have been dealing with these leaks is pretty amazing. The amount of goalpost moving is so absurd that it's just amusing at this point. It's basically like one of those doomsday cults that keeps pushing back the date of the apocalypse when the previous date comes and goes. > Also, not sure it's a good HN post. Just lol.

dariusj18 6y ago
I don't know of any goalpost moving. Most reasonable people from the beginning assumed, 1. There were legitimate "scandalous" materials gained via hacking. 2. The entire story of how it was acquired was either fabricated or setup. 3. The materials that attempt to tie the scandal to Joe Biden are the ones that need authentication to be interesting. 4. Without authentication it could be an attempt to use the personally scandalous materials of Hunter Biden to create an air of authenticity for the other items.

api 6y ago

From what I can see some of the material is legit and mildly scandalous, but it’s being used as a horse upon which a huge body of arbitrary accusations and insinuations can ride in. Same with the real possibility of porn (gasp!) on the laptop being used to insinuate child porn to trigger the Q cult. Using a mild to moderate scandal to insinuate major scandal is pretty standard political smear technique. Trump is immune to this because he just admits to everything or does all his shady stuff in the open and his supporters don’t care. Pretty hard to scandalize him.

googthrowaway42 6y ago
This isn't a mild scandal even when you exclude the sex/drugs component of it. There are documents and audio recording detailing relationships between the Biden family and members of the Chinese intelligence services, among other things. There are text messages and emails which show that Hunter was regularly consulting with his father Joe Biden on these deals. Hunter Biden’s Apparent Contract to Represent Chinese ‘Spy Chief’ Leaked: https://www.mediaite.com/news/read-the-1-million-contract-hunter-biden-signed-to-represent-chinese-spy-chief/ https://www.mediaite.com/news/read-the-1-million-contract-hu... There have been text messages leaked from the family discussing allegations of Hunter engaging in sexual misconduct with a minor member of the Biden family. Photos leaked of Hunter Biden purport to show Hunter Biden (who is naked in these photos) with this minor in the background sitting on his bed.
- api 6y ago
  Well if this is true it means we have a Chinese asset sex predator vs a Russian asset sex predator. That’s a tough one. It would maintain the accuracy rating of The Onion with their “Democrats concerned that Biden has not assaulted enough women to beat Trump” story. They are both awful candidates. I voted for Biden and still would because at least he doesn’t associate with and dog whistle to Nazis. That is so pathetic. Never thought I would miss Bush. This country is going down if we can’t increase the quality of our talent pool for this job.
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    I find comments like this extremely interesting. What you've written is deranged and comes across like a programmed response similar (I would say functionally identical) to that of a devoted cult member. You've just rattled off what come across as very hackneyed almost childlike talking points. However, based on your profile you're obviously an extremely intelligent and productive person. It really shows the importance of having a well ordered society with a ruling class that has the general welfare of the citizenry in mind. The world is too complicated and complex a place for every person, even the most intelligent and productive among us, to have to concern themselves with these sorts of things. We have a right to live in a society where we can trust our institutions. Unfortunately we are living in a time where our institutions are completely and utterly corrupt at almost evert level.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > It really shows the importance of having a well ordered society with a ruling class that has the general welfare of the citizenry in mind. Unless the citizenry as a whole is the ruling class, you will never have that except as a transient aberration.
      - googthrowaway42 6y ago
        Yes I get what you're saying. It is transient in the sense that all civilizations have an arc or cycle that involves greatness and then decadence. However, what I'm talking about is not a perfect set of selfless angels in the ruling class but rather a sense of virtue to counteract the natural tendency of wielding power in a self serving nature. I really see very little of that virtue at all right now. As a very crass but serious example of that, when I was growing up no one in a place of authority was trying to convince me that I (a male) was a girl whereas children growing up now are having to deal with that.