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What will it take for this to ACTUALLY happen? Every time change, I hear folks talk about how we should move to permanent DST, but nothing changes. I am tired o

What will it take for this to ACTUALLY happen? Every time change, I hear folks talk about how we should move to permanent DST, but nothing changes. I am tired of getting my hopes up.

chapium 6y ago
Indiana had it, but then voted it out. Keeping time change is favored by conservatives and the campaign for it was that its so confusing to have two systems. The irony of that position was painful to witness.
swebs 6y ago
It's already starting to happen in the EU. >Last year the European Parliament voted to abolish the time shifts, but the member states of the European Union have yet to agree on how to implement the decision.
input_sh 6y ago
EU voted to end it in 2019 (pretty decisively, 410 in favour and 192 against), and 2021 was supposed to be the final year. Unfortunately, it was postponed once again because of the pandemic. The implementation plan is for every country to choose which timezone to stay in (summer or winter), and I guess now is not the time for nations to figure out between themselves which timezone to stay in.
- ianai 6y ago
  It’s not democracy if it can be postponed.
  - input_sh 6y ago
    The fuck? No agreement gets implemented in a day and I find it perfectly reasonable for priorities to switch in an emergency (like a global pandemic). I despise DST as much as 80% of the EU citizens who said it should be abolished in a survey in 2018, but I'd much rather have my legislators focus on the pandemic at the moment.
    - iggldiggl 6y ago
      > as 80% of the EU citizens who said it should be abolished in a survey in 2018 Although it should be noted that that survey wasn't exactly representative: Participants were self-selected, and participation levels varied wildly between countries. Curiously enough, around two third of the responses came from Germany, despite it accounting for only around 15 % of the EU population (pre-Brexit).
- contravariant 6y ago
  Here's hoping we can finally end the madness of having (temporary) UTC+2:00 in places west of Greenwich.
  - tonfa 6y ago
    Why does it matter? It's part of the culture of those places now (eg late lunch/dinner in spain).
  - benhurmarcel 6y ago
    That would take France accepting being on a different timezone than Germany, and shifting their habits to have one hour more of darkness in the evening. I don't see it happening.
- _ph_ 6y ago
  The big problem is, there is no agreement about how time zones should be set up in the future. Just dropping DST would be easy and the logical thing to do. That would just need some lead time ahead to skip the spring shift. Having each country independently decide about the time zone sounds nice, but is of course a ridiculously stupid idea in the real world. At least some minimal constraints need to be enforces as in: - no timezone differential when you go in north-south direcion - timezone offset increases monotonic when you move east - avoid to have more than 1-hour timezone steps - and of course try to keep countries in the same timezone, which work closest together.
_ph_ 6y ago
The problem is, there is a huge split amongst people, what the alternative should be. Just getting rid of DST would be rather easy. But, as you can see here in the discussion, there are other opinions. Some want to switch to permanent "summer time", even if that may a redesign of time zones, some want to introduce entirely different time concepts.
lotsofpulp 6y ago
WA/CA/OR already voted to get rid of time changes, but are being held up by the federal government not giving approval. Supposedly all it takes is the blessing of some people on the executive branch.
novia 6y ago
Hillary Clinton supported getting rid of DST. Vote people into power who prioritize making the shift.

What will it take for this to ACTUALLY happen? Every time change, I hear folks talk about how we should move to permanent DST, but nothing changes. I am tired of getting my hopes up.

chapium 6y ago

Indiana had it, but then voted it out. Keeping time change is favored by conservatives and the campaign for it was that its so confusing to have two systems. The irony of that position was painful to witness.

swebs 6y ago

It's already starting to happen in the EU. >Last year the European Parliament voted to abolish the time shifts, but the member states of the European Union have yet to agree on how to implement the decision.

input_sh 6y ago

EU voted to end it in 2019 (pretty decisively, 410 in favour and 192 against), and 2021 was supposed to be the final year. Unfortunately, it was postponed once again because of the pandemic. The implementation plan is for every country to choose which timezone to stay in (summer or winter), and I guess now is not the time for nations to figure out between themselves which timezone to stay in.

ianai 6y ago
It’s not democracy if it can be postponed.
- input_sh 6y ago
  The fuck? No agreement gets implemented in a day and I find it perfectly reasonable for priorities to switch in an emergency (like a global pandemic). I despise DST as much as 80% of the EU citizens who said it should be abolished in a survey in 2018, but I'd much rather have my legislators focus on the pandemic at the moment.
  - iggldiggl 6y ago
    > as 80% of the EU citizens who said it should be abolished in a survey in 2018 Although it should be noted that that survey wasn't exactly representative: Participants were self-selected, and participation levels varied wildly between countries. Curiously enough, around two third of the responses came from Germany, despite it accounting for only around 15 % of the EU population (pre-Brexit).
contravariant 6y ago
Here's hoping we can finally end the madness of having (temporary) UTC+2:00 in places west of Greenwich.
- tonfa 6y ago
  Why does it matter? It's part of the culture of those places now (eg late lunch/dinner in spain).
- benhurmarcel 6y ago
  That would take France accepting being on a different timezone than Germany, and shifting their habits to have one hour more of darkness in the evening. I don't see it happening.
_ph_ 6y ago
The big problem is, there is no agreement about how time zones should be set up in the future. Just dropping DST would be easy and the logical thing to do. That would just need some lead time ahead to skip the spring shift. Having each country independently decide about the time zone sounds nice, but is of course a ridiculously stupid idea in the real world. At least some minimal constraints need to be enforces as in: - no timezone differential when you go in north-south direcion - timezone offset increases monotonic when you move east - avoid to have more than 1-hour timezone steps - and of course try to keep countries in the same timezone, which work closest together.

_ph_ 6y ago

The problem is, there is a huge split amongst people, what the alternative should be. Just getting rid of DST would be rather easy. But, as you can see here in the discussion, there are other opinions. Some want to switch to permanent "summer time", even if that may a redesign of time zones, some want to introduce entirely different time concepts.

lotsofpulp 6y ago

WA/CA/OR already voted to get rid of time changes, but are being held up by the federal government not giving approval. Supposedly all it takes is the blessing of some people on the executive branch.

novia 6y ago

Hillary Clinton supported getting rid of DST. Vote people into power who prioritize making the shift.