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It is natural that work is shifted towards the morning and people have time after work in the evening for personal matters. People do what is most important in
by laurent92 6y ago
It is natural that work is shifted towards the morning and people have time after work in the evening for personal matters. People do what is most important in the morning, because we can focus better.
Therefore worktimes need to follow the sunrise, especially beyond 45° latitudes where the sunrise shifts by more than 3 hrs between winter and summer.
- kingaillas 6y agoBut why the changing of clock settings? Could have just shown up earlier to follow the sunrise?
- bostonpete 6y agoWork schedules are often tied to all sorts of other schedules that limit flexibility -- things like school schedules, stock market or customer hours, published hours for retail or government offices, etc. If there's a practical benefit to schedule adjustment (and there is at certain latitudes), it can often only be realized by many if society as a whole shifts.
- ryandrake 6y agoSociety managed to simultaneously shift their entire collection of clocks twice a year. Is it really that much more of a pain to instead just say "we're all simultaneously going to work and school an hour earlier for a few months"?
- ghaff 6y agoAnd then why the hell bother? You've now replaced a coordinated government-implemented system with a complete patchwork system at the company, school, and individual level.
- ky3 6y agoBecause numbers have meanings? So that 9-to-5 stays 9-to-5 the whole year round instead of 8-to-4, 7-to-3, 6-to-2?
- yen223 6y agoIf numbers had any meaning it would be even harder to justify a system where 1 hour after 2am is 2am
- dahart 6y agoBecause for most jobs in most locales, everyone has to agree together when the workday starts. It’s not an individual choice, it’s a collective decision.
- grey-area 6y agoWell let's do that then where it makes sense, instead of a sudden arbitrary shift by an hour for all clocks, which is nowhere near enough for a 3 hour shift anyway.
- someguydave 6y agoI can see this as an argument for year-round DST. Now defend falling back one hour in the winter, when by your own admission a one hour shift will be insufficient to align with sunrise.
- dahart 6y agoIf you stay on DST through the winter, most places in the US will have a morning commute in the dark. The reason we switch is to keep the sunrise just slightly more even. The annual swing in sunrise time is just under 3 hours. With a DST switch, the swing becomes less than 2 hours, at the cost of switching twice.
- sojournerc 6y agoIt's still the same swing in sunlight time, just masked by changing the clocks. Some people will prefer sun in the morning, others in the afternoon. The answer is to allow flexibility of schedule to accommodate preferences, not switching clocks. It doesn't do anything other than mess with routines. Daylight is not saved, or extended.
- dahart 6y ago> The answer is to allow flexibility of schedule That works for a lot of us in tech with online computer jobs, but simply is not realistic yet for most of the world’s laborers. > Daylight is not saved, or extended. This is a framing, it depends on your point of view. Certainly I’ll agree the term “daylight savings” was conceived as a positive spin on the idea. On the other hand, if you take it as a given that work hours are 9-5, and that most people will wake ~2 hours before work to get ready, then updating the clocks relative to the work day does, in fact, give you more daylight evening time in the summer.
- ghaff 6y agoYes. I can assure that most retail and service industries, to pick just two examples, are going to be keeping the same hours year round.
- marcosdumay 6y ago> People do what is most important in the morning, because we can focus better. There's a huge [citation needed] to add here. Also, needs a citation for people still being able to focus better at the morning after their clock is switched.