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Having young kids, I'd love to see the changing of the clocks go the way of the dinosaurs. I don't care which way, just pick one and stick with it.

geerlingguy 6y ago
Same. Pets and other animals also don't care about the time on the clock. It's not like they notice it's DST or not and shift waking up by an hour. Besides the software insanity it causes there's a real human cost, and it wears me down for at least 2 weeks until everyone starts adjusting.
vaccinator 6y ago
why not go halfway? AKA DST - 0:30
- voisin 6y ago
  It isn’t a negotiation over how much to change. It is a debate as to whether it should change at all. And no one seems to be arguing that it should still change. This is just lack of political will to push the legislation.
  - vaccinator 6y ago
    in that case, lets just go to universal time and let businesses tell you what time to come in
    - swebs 6y ago
      I'm in favor of a full global switch to TAI. UTC is another good option, but I don't really see the benefit of keeping up with leap seconds considering the complexity they add. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time
  - ghaff 6y ago
    Perhaps no one likes changing. But I bet, especially in mid-northern latitudes, that a lot of people really don't like having to choose between: - sending kids to school, driving, and doing outdoor work in winter pitch black and - having the sun streaming through windows at 4am in the summer at the cost of an hour of long summer evening even less appealing.
    - novia 6y ago
      You do know that institutions such as schools can change the time they start, right?
      - ghaff 6y ago
        It actually can be quite difficult as school start time isn't independent of many other schedules, including school buses picking up other grades starting later. So, no, they can't necessarily. Kids going to school in the dark was one of the major reasons cited for not renewing the all-year DST experiment. I suppose you could find a way to change or just give them flashlights but, in any case, it was a public issue in the past.
        novia 6y ago
        Typically this is something that would be changed on the scale of the school system of a county. That resolves the school bus issue. As far as kids being picked up in the dark.. again, the school system can change start times during certain parts of the year so that doesn't happen.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    When the argument is specifically about disruption, you could solve that by shifting the clock in 10 or 15 minute increments, weeks apart.
acdha 6y ago
I non-ironically refer to it as “we hate parents” day. Since the benefits are imaginary it seems like an easy win relative to the costs.
jibbit 6y ago
Do children not need more sleep in winter, like adults?
- WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
  Perhaps in places that have winter. Florida's 4 seasons are summer (13 months), not summer (13 min), wildfire and hurricane. Hurricane is usually the best of the lot.
- mac01021 6y ago
  When my kid was 1 year old, she was on a sleeping schedule where I would wake her up just in time for me to get her to daycare before heading to my 9am daily standup, and then falling asleep at night at whatever time she would be sleepy as a result of the morning wakeup time. Maybe I could have planned for the clock change better and done something gradual but, the abrupt way we did it had the effect that she was totally thrown off and could only sleep a couple of hours on each of the two nights following the change. As luck would have it, staying up with her all hours for those two nights that year left me with a terrible cold that left me miserable and exhausted for more than a week. I don't know if this answers your implied question or not. But that's what happens to many parents every year.
- qes 6y ago
  Yes, and precisely on November 1st this year my child will start sleeping exactly one hour longer in the morning, because it is now official of course. Huge /s, obviously. Whether or not children need more sleep in the winter, they'll by and large be waking up at about the same unshifted time tomorrow as they did today.

geerlingguy 6y ago

Same. Pets and other animals also don't care about the time on the clock. It's not like they notice it's DST or not and shift waking up by an hour. Besides the software insanity it causes there's a real human cost, and it wears me down for at least 2 weeks until everyone starts adjusting.

vaccinator 6y ago

why not go halfway? AKA DST - 0:30

voisin 6y ago
It isn’t a negotiation over how much to change. It is a debate as to whether it should change at all. And no one seems to be arguing that it should still change. This is just lack of political will to push the legislation.
- vaccinator 6y ago
  in that case, lets just go to universal time and let businesses tell you what time to come in
  - swebs 6y ago
    I'm in favor of a full global switch to TAI. UTC is another good option, but I don't really see the benefit of keeping up with leap seconds considering the complexity they add. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time
- ghaff 6y ago
  Perhaps no one likes changing. But I bet, especially in mid-northern latitudes, that a lot of people really don't like having to choose between: - sending kids to school, driving, and doing outdoor work in winter pitch black and - having the sun streaming through windows at 4am in the summer at the cost of an hour of long summer evening even less appealing.
  - novia 6y ago
    You do know that institutions such as schools can change the time they start, right?
    - ghaff 6y ago
      It actually can be quite difficult as school start time isn't independent of many other schedules, including school buses picking up other grades starting later. So, no, they can't necessarily. Kids going to school in the dark was one of the major reasons cited for not renewing the all-year DST experiment. I suppose you could find a way to change or just give them flashlights but, in any case, it was a public issue in the past.
      - novia 6y ago
        Typically this is something that would be changed on the scale of the school system of a county. That resolves the school bus issue. As far as kids being picked up in the dark.. again, the school system can change start times during certain parts of the year so that doesn't happen.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  When the argument is specifically about disruption, you could solve that by shifting the clock in 10 or 15 minute increments, weeks apart.

acdha 6y ago

I non-ironically refer to it as “we hate parents” day. Since the benefits are imaginary it seems like an easy win relative to the costs.

jibbit 6y ago

Do children not need more sleep in winter, like adults?

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
Perhaps in places that have winter. Florida's 4 seasons are summer (13 months), not summer (13 min), wildfire and hurricane. Hurricane is usually the best of the lot.
mac01021 6y ago
When my kid was 1 year old, she was on a sleeping schedule where I would wake her up just in time for me to get her to daycare before heading to my 9am daily standup, and then falling asleep at night at whatever time she would be sleepy as a result of the morning wakeup time. Maybe I could have planned for the clock change better and done something gradual but, the abrupt way we did it had the effect that she was totally thrown off and could only sleep a couple of hours on each of the two nights following the change. As luck would have it, staying up with her all hours for those two nights that year left me with a terrible cold that left me miserable and exhausted for more than a week. I don't know if this answers your implied question or not. But that's what happens to many parents every year.
qes 6y ago
Yes, and precisely on November 1st this year my child will start sleeping exactly one hour longer in the morning, because it is now official of course. Huge /s, obviously. Whether or not children need more sleep in the winter, they'll by and large be waking up at about the same unshifted time tomorrow as they did today.