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The concept of "minority" is bogus. Turkey is the largest nation in Europe. EDIT: after the comments below, Turkey is the second largest nation, after Russia.

The concept of "minority" is bogus. Turkey is the largest nation in Europe. EDIT: after the comments below, Turkey is the second largest nation, after Russia. Still impossible to construe Turks as a minority group.

haerra 6y ago
Um... What about Russia?
kgwgk 6y ago
If Turkey is a large nation in Europe, the largest nation in Europe is Russia.
- kvgr 6y ago
  Still boggles my mind how Russia is considered as Europe... 70% of their country is located in asia. As seems to be their thinking.
  - kgwgk 6y ago
    To be fair, 75% of their population is in Europe.
    - kvgr 6y ago
      So it is 50/50 :)
  - Glavnokoman 6y ago
    40% percent of Europe is Russia, that's how.
mrighele 6y ago
Turks are a minority in France, where those events are taking place.
- enriquto 6y ago
  They are certainly not a minority in Europe, where this happened, and which is the context of the message I was replying to. They may not be a minority on certain French suburbs, maybe on the place where this happened? They are obviously not a minority on the very street where the described "hunt" is taking place. Along the nested hierarchy of subsets of Europe that are in question, "France" may be the sole level at which they can be bona-fide called a minority.
luckylion 6y ago
A small part of Turkey is on the European continent, but calling Turkey a "nation in Europe" is ridiculous.
- brnt 6y ago
  They seems to me to be equivalent statements. Why would a country in Europe not be a nation in Europe?
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Turkey isn't a country in Europe is what I'm trying to say. ~3% of Turkey is in Europe, the rest of it is in Asia (which gives Turkey its geopolitical importance), and it's political orientation has historically always been in Asia (which makes sense, given that the Turks didn't originate in Turkey, but conquered the area in the middle ages; they stem from central Asia). "Russia is a country in Europe" is similarly weird, even though ~25% of the land (including their two major cities, and ~75% of the population iirc) is in Europe and historically, Russia was much more involved in Europe than Turkey.
    - brnt 6y ago
      In Europe is in Europe, and as well in Asia. I don't think the fraction is very relevant. And if history is important, the Ottoman empire has a history very much involved with the rest of Europe.
      - luckylion 6y ago
        Think of Venn Diagrams, only part of Turkey is part of Europe. There's overlap, but one isn't inside the other. Turkey is, like Russia, considered a transcontinental country. They aren't "in" either continent, but part of them is. > And if history is important, the Ottoman empire has a history very much involved with the rest of Europe. As an adversary/attacker, yes. But that's not a reasonable foundation for declaring membership.
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haerra 6y ago

Um... What about Russia?

kgwgk 6y ago

If Turkey is a large nation in Europe, the largest nation in Europe is Russia.

kvgr 6y ago
Still boggles my mind how Russia is considered as Europe... 70% of their country is located in asia. As seems to be their thinking.
- kgwgk 6y ago
  To be fair, 75% of their population is in Europe.
  - kvgr 6y ago
    So it is 50/50 :)
- Glavnokoman 6y ago
  40% percent of Europe is Russia, that's how.

mrighele 6y ago

Turks are a minority in France, where those events are taking place.

enriquto 6y ago
They are certainly not a minority in Europe, where this happened, and which is the context of the message I was replying to. They may not be a minority on certain French suburbs, maybe on the place where this happened? They are obviously not a minority on the very street where the described "hunt" is taking place. Along the nested hierarchy of subsets of Europe that are in question, "France" may be the sole level at which they can be bona-fide called a minority.

luckylion 6y ago

A small part of Turkey is on the European continent, but calling Turkey a "nation in Europe" is ridiculous.

brnt 6y ago
They seems to me to be equivalent statements. Why would a country in Europe not be a nation in Europe?
- luckylion 6y ago
  Turkey isn't a country in Europe is what I'm trying to say. ~3% of Turkey is in Europe, the rest of it is in Asia (which gives Turkey its geopolitical importance), and it's political orientation has historically always been in Asia (which makes sense, given that the Turks didn't originate in Turkey, but conquered the area in the middle ages; they stem from central Asia). "Russia is a country in Europe" is similarly weird, even though ~25% of the land (including their two major cities, and ~75% of the population iirc) is in Europe and historically, Russia was much more involved in Europe than Turkey.
  - brnt 6y ago
    In Europe is in Europe, and as well in Asia. I don't think the fraction is very relevant. And if history is important, the Ottoman empire has a history very much involved with the rest of Europe.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      Think of Venn Diagrams, only part of Turkey is part of Europe. There's overlap, but one isn't inside the other. Turkey is, like Russia, considered a transcontinental country. They aren't "in" either continent, but part of them is. > And if history is important, the Ottoman empire has a history very much involved with the rest of Europe. As an adversary/attacker, yes. But that's not a reasonable foundation for declaring membership.

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