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TFA isn’t a big revelation, or a great angle. But “Economic parity with whites” doesn’t mean sh﹡t when a racial group (edit: not even a racial group) is discri

by oefrha 6y ago

TFA isn’t a big revelation, or a great angle. But “Economic parity with whites” doesn’t mean sh﹡t when a racial group (edit: not even a racial group) is discriminated in college admissions, corporate leadership roles, etc., which are some of the most vital external decisions for upward mobility. (These are very widely documented so don’t ask me for citations. You can easily find hundred-comment-strong threads on these topics within this very site.) If anything it means the group has managed to “succeed” despite all the racial/cultural roadblocks, and the efforts they put in are not proportionally repaid. “Individuals who are in the process of achieving upward mobility” — that’s the actual myth. More like work as hard as you can, we’ll randomly select three out of ten to put into the pool of potential upward mobility with all fifty of that other group. I know some people prefer equality of outcome and don’t feel the slightest shame about pushing down hardworking folks based on their ancestries if that’s what it takes to achieve a semblance of equality and diversity. I can’t have a productive conversation with those people. Actually, you know what, I’ve hardly ever seen anyone convincing anyone on this or any other divisive topic, so here’s my opinion, I don’t care what anyone thinks about it, and I’m not gonna further comment on this.

rayiner 6y ago
A lot of the statistics about Asian under representation in leadership positions evaporates when you account for the fact that Asians are quite a bit younger in average than whites. While the percentage of Asians in the population overall is 6-7%, the percentage of Asians in the 60+ cohort is only 4-5%. Also, Asians are a rapidly growing group that mostly comprises immigrants not born in the US. It’s not necessarily a sign of discrimination that there is a lag between when Asians arrive in the US, when they reach economic parity, and when they achieve leadership positions that might require a higher level of being established, US citizenship, many years of company service, etc. As a result of the fact that the Asian population is growing rapidly, you’re looking at statistics that may not be in equilibrium. Asians account for about 3.7% of Fortune 500 Board seats, which isn’t that far off from the 4-5% of the age cohort you’d expect to have a high level position like that. More important, they account for 8% of new board appointments: https://www.statista.com/statistics/547958/percentage-of-new-asian-directors-on-fortune-500-boards https://www.statista.com/statistics/547958/percentage-of-new.... Asian new appointments has tracked the overall percentage of population quite well for the last decade. If anything, Asians are on their way to being a bit over-represented in corporate board seats.

by oefrha 6y ago

rayiner 6y ago

A lot of the statistics about Asian under representation in leadership positions evaporates when you account for the fact that Asians are quite a bit younger in average than whites. While the percentage of Asians in the population overall is 6-7%, the percentage of Asians in the 60+ cohort is only 4-5%. Also, Asians are a rapidly growing group that mostly comprises immigrants not born in the US. It’s not necessarily a sign of discrimination that there is a lag between when Asians arrive in the US, when they reach economic parity, and when they achieve leadership positions that might require a higher level of being established, US citizenship, many years of company service, etc. As a result of the fact that the Asian population is growing rapidly, you’re looking at statistics that may not be in equilibrium. Asians account for about 3.7% of Fortune 500 Board seats, which isn’t that far off from the 4-5% of the age cohort you’d expect to have a high level position like that. More important, they account for 8% of new board appointments: https://www.statista.com/statistics/547958/percentage-of-new-asian-directors-on-fortune-500-boards https://www.statista.com/statistics/547958/percentage-of-new.... Asian new appointments has tracked the overall percentage of population quite well for the last decade. If anything, Asians are on their way to being a bit over-represented in corporate board seats.