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Even better is to create a kryoflux image, as that is not only disk format agnostic, but pretty much the most faithful digital preservation method we have right

by anyfoo 6y ago

Even better is to create a kryoflux image, as that is not only disk format agnostic, but pretty much the most faithful digital preservation method we have right now.

LeoPanthera 6y ago
The Kryoflux company claims ownership of all images created with Kryoflux hardware. To quote Internet Archive's Jason Scott, "I wouldn't use a Kryoflux to pry open my last can of beans." https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/buyj9f/til_that_computer_archivists_image_the_magnetic/epjwsut/ https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/buyj9f/ti... IA's Archive Team have guidance for anyone wanting to archive floppy disks: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_... and optical discs: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_optical_media https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_optical...
- burnte 6y ago
  Unfortunately copyright law doesn’t even remotely recognize that claim.
  - LeoPanthera 6y ago
    Whether it does or doesn't, it's the attitude of the company that keeps me far, far away.
    - burnte 6y ago
      Agreed,.
  - skissane 6y ago
    Even if their claim is legally dubious, they may be inclined to try to legally enforce it through a lawsuit. Defending a lawsuit is an expense, hassle and risk that many people would rather avoid. That's why many would prefer to choose other products whose vendors don't even try to impose these kinds of conditions.
    - burnte 6y ago
      Agreed.
- GreenHeuristics 6y ago
  I claim to own Iceland.
  - mrmonkeyman 6y ago
    I am Iceland.
- bdowling 6y ago
  > The Kryoflux company claims ownership of all images created with Kryoflux hardware. From the links provided, the issue is regarding documentation of the image “flux” file format and the availability of software tools to manipulate the images. Jason Scott probably doesn’t want to use a proprietary format for archival of disk images, and that’s fine. For someone to say that Kyroflux is claiming ownership of images created by its customers, however, is just misleading.
  - Firehawke 6y ago
    Coming in late to say that Jason Scott has explained to me that at some point in the not so far past the way the copyrights were set up it DID give them total control but it's been changed to be still obnoxious but not quite as bad.
- anyfoo 6y ago
  That's bad if true. bdowling points out that this only concerns the format itself, which while very different from "owns all images", could still be detrimental to preservation. I think the answer then would be to come up with an alternative that works on approximately the same level.

by anyfoo 6y ago

Even better is to create a kryoflux image, as that is not only disk format agnostic, but pretty much the most faithful digital preservation method we have right now.

LeoPanthera 6y ago

The Kryoflux company claims ownership of all images created with Kryoflux hardware. To quote Internet Archive's Jason Scott, "I wouldn't use a Kryoflux to pry open my last can of beans." https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/buyj9f/til_that_computer_archivists_image_the_magnetic/epjwsut/ https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/buyj9f/ti... IA's Archive Team have guidance for anyone wanting to archive floppy disks: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_... and optical discs: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_optical_media https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_optical...

burnte 6y ago
Unfortunately copyright law doesn’t even remotely recognize that claim.
- LeoPanthera 6y ago
  Whether it does or doesn't, it's the attitude of the company that keeps me far, far away.
  - burnte 6y ago
    Agreed,.
- skissane 6y ago
  Even if their claim is legally dubious, they may be inclined to try to legally enforce it through a lawsuit. Defending a lawsuit is an expense, hassle and risk that many people would rather avoid. That's why many would prefer to choose other products whose vendors don't even try to impose these kinds of conditions.
  - burnte 6y ago
    Agreed.
GreenHeuristics 6y ago
I claim to own Iceland.
- mrmonkeyman 6y ago
  I am Iceland.
bdowling 6y ago
> The Kryoflux company claims ownership of all images created with Kryoflux hardware. From the links provided, the issue is regarding documentation of the image “flux” file format and the availability of software tools to manipulate the images. Jason Scott probably doesn’t want to use a proprietary format for archival of disk images, and that’s fine. For someone to say that Kyroflux is claiming ownership of images created by its customers, however, is just misleading.
- Firehawke 6y ago
  Coming in late to say that Jason Scott has explained to me that at some point in the not so far past the way the copyrights were set up it DID give them total control but it's been changed to be still obnoxious but not quite as bad.
anyfoo 6y ago
That's bad if true. bdowling points out that this only concerns the format itself, which while very different from "owns all images", could still be detrimental to preservation. I think the answer then would be to come up with an alternative that works on approximately the same level.