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So because their platform is being worried about Big Tech abusing their monopoly power to arbitrarily silence entities, they're now "right-wing"?? What the fuc

So because their platform is being worried about Big Tech abusing their monopoly power to arbitrarily silence entities, they're now "right-wing"?? What the fuck happened to this place?

shard972 6y ago
The same thing that happened to west.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
It's not really a "this place" thing. There's been a legitimate political realignment on this topic. I think most Americans would identify the site's slogans > Defend free speech and individual liberty online. Push back against big tech and media gatekeepers. as right-wing in the modern context. (I don't think "far right" and "conspiracy theory" are fair labels, though.)
- rightbyte 6y ago
  A debate climate where sane things are labeled extremist due to association is quite worrysome. But ye if you worry about de facto free speech on the interwebs your probably some brand of nazi ... oh swing the banhammer Twitter and friends.
- dmurray 6y ago
  This seems clearly true and I can't imagine why you're being downvoted. You could go further and say "Defend individual liberty" is a neutral description of rightist policy. Out of time, it shouldn't be inflammatory at all.
  - msla 6y ago
    > You could go further and say "Defend individual liberty" is a neutral description of rightist policy. Tell that to arch-conservative Anthony Comstock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws > The Comstock Laws were a set of federal acts passed by the United States Congress under the Grant administration along with related state laws.[1] The "parent" act (Sect. 211) was passed on March 3, 1873, as the Act for the "Suppression of Trade in, and Circulation of, Obscene Literature and Articles of Immoral Use". Similarly, all of the other religious arguments for censorship, such as the Roman Catholic Church's list of banned books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum The Papist Church is definitely quite conservative.
    - dmurray 6y ago
      The Roman Catholic Church (is "Papist" some kind of dogwhistle slur these days?) would often be thought of as economically leftist. Give large amounts of your money to the ruling institution, they spend it on helping the less fortunate. Sure, it has corruption problems and much of the wealth doesn't make it to the needy. Same with many institutions on the left or right. It's obviously also socially conservative.
      - tom_ 6y ago
        Not much dogwhistling in "Papist", I don't think?! - I'd always interpret that as negative...
      - msla 6y ago
        > The Roman Catholic Church (is "Papist" some kind of dogwhistle slur these days?) would often be thought of as economically leftist. It isn't leftist, it's anti-leftist, given that it has a decree against Communism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_against_Communism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_against_Communism Also, "Papist" is a traditional Conservative term, as per the very Conservative Protestants and Anglicans. I didn't realize a Conservative word would cause offense.
        amanaplanacanal 6y ago
        I think it’s an extension of “name people what they want to be named”. If Roman Catholics would think it’s offensive, then it is.
        amadeuspagel 6y ago
        Plenty of leftists don't like communism.
        dmurray 6y ago
        It's fairer to say that Marxism has a decree against religion. Regardless, hating one leftist institution doesn't put you on the right. Tito hated Stalin who hated Mao - which one of them do you think was on the right wing?

So because their platform is being worried about Big Tech abusing their monopoly power to arbitrarily silence entities, they're now "right-wing"?? What the fuck happened to this place?

shard972 6y ago

The same thing that happened to west.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

It's not really a "this place" thing. There's been a legitimate political realignment on this topic. I think most Americans would identify the site's slogans > Defend free speech and individual liberty online. Push back against big tech and media gatekeepers. as right-wing in the modern context. (I don't think "far right" and "conspiracy theory" are fair labels, though.)

rightbyte 6y ago
A debate climate where sane things are labeled extremist due to association is quite worrysome. But ye if you worry about de facto free speech on the interwebs your probably some brand of nazi ... oh swing the banhammer Twitter and friends.
dmurray 6y ago
This seems clearly true and I can't imagine why you're being downvoted. You could go further and say "Defend individual liberty" is a neutral description of rightist policy. Out of time, it shouldn't be inflammatory at all.
- msla 6y ago
  > You could go further and say "Defend individual liberty" is a neutral description of rightist policy. Tell that to arch-conservative Anthony Comstock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws > The Comstock Laws were a set of federal acts passed by the United States Congress under the Grant administration along with related state laws.[1] The "parent" act (Sect. 211) was passed on March 3, 1873, as the Act for the "Suppression of Trade in, and Circulation of, Obscene Literature and Articles of Immoral Use". Similarly, all of the other religious arguments for censorship, such as the Roman Catholic Church's list of banned books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum The Papist Church is definitely quite conservative.
  - dmurray 6y ago
    The Roman Catholic Church (is "Papist" some kind of dogwhistle slur these days?) would often be thought of as economically leftist. Give large amounts of your money to the ruling institution, they spend it on helping the less fortunate. Sure, it has corruption problems and much of the wealth doesn't make it to the needy. Same with many institutions on the left or right. It's obviously also socially conservative.
    - tom_ 6y ago
      Not much dogwhistling in "Papist", I don't think?! - I'd always interpret that as negative...
    - msla 6y ago
      > The Roman Catholic Church (is "Papist" some kind of dogwhistle slur these days?) would often be thought of as economically leftist. It isn't leftist, it's anti-leftist, given that it has a decree against Communism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_against_Communism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_against_Communism Also, "Papist" is a traditional Conservative term, as per the very Conservative Protestants and Anglicans. I didn't realize a Conservative word would cause offense.
      - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
        I think it’s an extension of “name people what they want to be named”. If Roman Catholics would think it’s offensive, then it is.
      - amadeuspagel 6y ago
        Plenty of leftists don't like communism.
      - dmurray 6y ago
        It's fairer to say that Marxism has a decree against religion. Regardless, hating one leftist institution doesn't put you on the right. Tito hated Stalin who hated Mao - which one of them do you think was on the right wing?