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Go look at all the comments being downvoted. It's insane how many reasonable, common-sense arguments are being downvoted into oblivion. HN has a serious astrot

Go look at all the comments being downvoted. It's insane how many reasonable, common-sense arguments are being downvoted into oblivion. HN has a serious astroturfing problem and I can only imagine who's behind it.

throwaway2048 6y ago
I see a lot of boilerplate handwringing about how this is the end of free speech and a reliable media, that kind of stuff gets posted over and over again in every article of this nature. Its not particularly interesting, or relevant, especially after being repeated ad nauseum.
- disown 6y ago
  Really, most of the top comments are those defending censorship and those sneakily trying to undermine free speech and support the censorship of a journalist. > Its not particularly interesting, or relevant, especially after being repeated ad nauseum. Fighting for free speech is that offense to you huh? You wouldn't happen to be a journalist?
  - throwaway2048 6y ago
    "Go look at all the comments being downvoted." this is what I was referring to.
  - anoonmoose 6y ago
    It's mostly that I think your definition of "free speech" is absurd and so are your claims of censorship.
happytoexplain 6y ago
I agree that there's a problem, though I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you aren't referring only to the comments on one "side" of this discussion. However, either way, there is also a lot of irrational political side-taking being downvoted, and frankly the state of things looks much better than the vast majority of communities.
secondcoming 6y ago
They click on your username and downvote any other comments you've made too. It's a real shame. I was hoping HN was more adult than reddit.
- troughway 6y ago
  It isn't, and in due time enough people will get tired of this and form some kind of an HN-meets-lobste.rs-thing that is more oriented towards diversity of opinions, with less of a fuck-you to everyone who disagrees with the groupthink of HN.
raxxorrax 6y ago
At this point I think many believe their own lies. We read about pee tapes, Russian collusion, foreign intervention and suddenly there is a focus on editorial accuracy. What a joke, Greenwald is far more believable than many of his colleagues and I don't mind him getting a bit invested here. If all these activists would stop lying and just said Hillary/Biden are better choices because their programs are more foundational, it would have been a walk in the park. Instead you have these partisan fanatics (not restricted to the US) that are completely fine with undermining democratic processes and restricting freedom for their opponents, even perceived ones. It makes you feel you can have a reasonable talk with a fundamental Christian instead of a reporter of main stream media. Perhaps there are drugs and blackmail involved, I am running out of explanations. Complete hysteria.

throwaway2048 6y ago

I see a lot of boilerplate handwringing about how this is the end of free speech and a reliable media, that kind of stuff gets posted over and over again in every article of this nature. Its not particularly interesting, or relevant, especially after being repeated ad nauseum.

disown 6y ago
Really, most of the top comments are those defending censorship and those sneakily trying to undermine free speech and support the censorship of a journalist. > Its not particularly interesting, or relevant, especially after being repeated ad nauseum. Fighting for free speech is that offense to you huh? You wouldn't happen to be a journalist?
- throwaway2048 6y ago
  "Go look at all the comments being downvoted." this is what I was referring to.
- anoonmoose 6y ago
  It's mostly that I think your definition of "free speech" is absurd and so are your claims of censorship.

happytoexplain 6y ago

I agree that there's a problem, though I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you aren't referring only to the comments on one "side" of this discussion. However, either way, there is also a lot of irrational political side-taking being downvoted, and frankly the state of things looks much better than the vast majority of communities.

secondcoming 6y ago

They click on your username and downvote any other comments you've made too. It's a real shame. I was hoping HN was more adult than reddit.

troughway 6y ago
It isn't, and in due time enough people will get tired of this and form some kind of an HN-meets-lobste.rs-thing that is more oriented towards diversity of opinions, with less of a fuck-you to everyone who disagrees with the groupthink of HN.

raxxorrax 6y ago

At this point I think many believe their own lies. We read about pee tapes, Russian collusion, foreign intervention and suddenly there is a focus on editorial accuracy. What a joke, Greenwald is far more believable than many of his colleagues and I don't mind him getting a bit invested here. If all these activists would stop lying and just said Hillary/Biden are better choices because their programs are more foundational, it would have been a walk in the park. Instead you have these partisan fanatics (not restricted to the US) that are completely fine with undermining democratic processes and restricting freedom for their opponents, even perceived ones. It makes you feel you can have a reasonable talk with a fundamental Christian instead of a reporter of main stream media. Perhaps there are drugs and blackmail involved, I am running out of explanations. Complete hysteria.