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There are two categories of rules: ones that are designed to be followed, and ones that are designed to bludgeon people with. Much like how a lot of knife law e

There are two categories of rules: ones that are designed to be followed, and ones that are designed to bludgeon people with. Much like how a lot of knife law enforcement is mostly about having a convenient excuse for the police to harass minorities for being at the wrong place and the wrong time, a lot of Code of Conducts seem to me to be mostly about having a convenient excuse to punish and exclude people for having the wrong opinion. I'm just glad that this example of the phenomenon was over technical disagreement rather than politics, that makes it much more illustrative.

baobabKoodaa 6y ago
> I'm just glad that this example of the phenomenon was over technical disagreement rather than politics, that makes it much more illustrative. And how exactly are you drawing that conclusion? You think that people at JupyterCon were genuinely outraged over a presenter expressing his opinion that he likes Jupyter notebooks? I would imagine that liking Jupyter would be an acceptable opinion at a Jupyter convention. Jeremy has been an outspoken advocate of mask use, which is a highly polarizing political issue in the U.S. at the moment. I think the most reasonable explanation for this attack is that people who disagreed with Jeremy's political opinions (mask use good) found a smokescreen to attack him with (liking notebooks, not being kind).
- luckylion 6y ago
  > I think the most reasonable explanation for this attack is that people who disagreed with Jeremy's political opinions (mask use good) found a smokescreen to attack him with (liking notebooks, not being kind). Is mask-use unpopular with the SJW crowd though? Because CoCs in general and "that was not kind" + the process they chose sounds very much like the SJW crowd, and I'm not aware that they are anti-mask.
  - baobabKoodaa 6y ago
    You have a point. I might be wrong about this.
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- ThrustVectoring 6y ago
  > You think that people at JupyterCon were genuinely outraged over a presenter expressing his opinion that he likes Jupyter notebooks? We're on the same page here, what I'm saying is that the context makes this situation much more obviously pretextual. I'm not going to speculate on the actual reasoning behind it, though, it's likely no more informative than pissing off someone influential somehow at some point.

baobabKoodaa 6y ago

> I'm just glad that this example of the phenomenon was over technical disagreement rather than politics, that makes it much more illustrative. And how exactly are you drawing that conclusion? You think that people at JupyterCon were genuinely outraged over a presenter expressing his opinion that he likes Jupyter notebooks? I would imagine that liking Jupyter would be an acceptable opinion at a Jupyter convention. Jeremy has been an outspoken advocate of mask use, which is a highly polarizing political issue in the U.S. at the moment. I think the most reasonable explanation for this attack is that people who disagreed with Jeremy's political opinions (mask use good) found a smokescreen to attack him with (liking notebooks, not being kind).

luckylion 6y ago
> I think the most reasonable explanation for this attack is that people who disagreed with Jeremy's political opinions (mask use good) found a smokescreen to attack him with (liking notebooks, not being kind). Is mask-use unpopular with the SJW crowd though? Because CoCs in general and "that was not kind" + the process they chose sounds very much like the SJW crowd, and I'm not aware that they are anti-mask.
- baobabKoodaa 6y ago
  You have a point. I might be wrong about this.
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ThrustVectoring 6y ago
> You think that people at JupyterCon were genuinely outraged over a presenter expressing his opinion that he likes Jupyter notebooks? We're on the same page here, what I'm saying is that the context makes this situation much more obviously pretextual. I'm not going to speculate on the actual reasoning behind it, though, it's likely no more informative than pissing off someone influential somehow at some point.